@People saying Ahri is overpowered

Rock MD··5 votes·1,610 views

I'm not saying you're wrong or right. Personally I think she's A tier, so strong, but not strong enough to be an LCS staple, but that doesn't really pertain to the thread.

I get it, she's frustrating to play against, so I'm going to offer you tips, as an Ahri main, that I've found help me to deal with her when I play against one.

  1. Start out by telling yourself that Ahri is not a particularly strong champion, she just has a massive safety net. Her strength is derived from the fact Ahri can always get fed but she can rarely feed. She is outdps'd by the standard midlaners and doesn't provide nearly the amount of game-changing utility as Lux/Orianna.

  2. She has a hard time in teamfights unless she can get a good flank, due to the whole less useful in teamfights thing.

  3. Ahri is unforgiving in skirmishes due to how her kit works. Don't pick fights where you can get caught in smaller numbers and avoid being out when you're low, especially if you don't know where she is.

  4. Ahri's ultimate is what ties her kit together.

So how do you deal with this?

Generally:

Exchange value needs to be weighed. Ahri is, again, less useful in teamfights so if she trades herself for an equally fed ADC, she made the better trade. In skirmishes and early game dropping your ultimate to blow hers is usually a better trade as she cannot stop you from farming or roam on bot lane for a minute and a half.

In-lane:

-1 Ahri's shorter (relatively) ranges mean she's apt to being bullied by mages with easier access to their damage (Viktor can outrange her while clearing the backline, Syndra doesn't need to pay attention to minions to deal the same damage, etc). If she's playing back it's best not to overextend because junglers love camping an Ahri (see point 1). I personally prefer to keep the lane frozen near my tower and if Ahri gets close poke her and prevent her from getting close to the minions. Once they're on her side I keep away and try avoid the jungler's wrath.

-2 Your ult for Ahri's is almost always worth. If she can't skirmish she has less chances to get fed.

Skirmishing:

-1 Numbers advantage is key.

-2 Generally just try avoid this stage and group up.

Teamfighting:

-1 One should not try to intentionally kill Ahri unless she poses significant threat (only fed member, gets a good flank, etc). Otherwise, zoning her and letting her tickle your diver usually does the trick. She doesn't deal particularly high damage to divers even with true damage, and this gives the damage dealers the opportunity to push.

-2 If Ahri jumps you, CC and kill her. Force her to take the fight to you because that's where Ahri's risk comes into play. If she doesn't have a lead, even the support has the potential to be more useful of a piece (again, this is situational) because they can keep the Twitch alive and you know that's always a bad thing.

TL;DR Don't stay out places way longer than you should, and avoid skirmishes like the devil. Push way hard, let her force the fight, and outscale her. Once you get to teamfights even zoning her with a tanky champion (especially as an Irelia) puts her in a really awkward spot for your carries to safely obliterate her team. I get this isn't perfect but every bit helps.

9 Comments

Mira Arya Enthe3 votes

Stopped when I saw LCS. LCS picks have 0 to do with soloQ balance. At all.

Rock MD1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Mira Arya Enthe,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=yoLiOsmb,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2017-01-11T06:32:32.409+0000)

Stopped when I saw LCS. LCS picks have 0 to do with soloQ balance. At all.

I pointed out I'm not trying to argue balance, here are some tips that I use when I go against Ahri to help me deal with her because otherwise she's frustrating.

But thanks for showing me the expanse of your solo queue wisdom.

Linna Excel1 votes

However, master and challenger level games do and I think she starts falling off in those elos.

MinaZer02 votes

This long a thread on the balance of Ahri?

https://gyazo.com/519d4c4c4ff0ca2659202c971f7542e0

Pick Rate : S Fanboi Tier

Win Rate: A

Win Rate by Game Length : A, A, C, D, Z

Overall Score : Safe Pick

Rock MD1 votes

[{quoted}](name=ILittle IMonster,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=yoLiOsmb,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2017-01-11T07:00:13.789+0000)

This long a thread on the balance of Ahri?

https://gyazo.com/519d4c4c4ff0ca2659202c971f7542e0

Pick Rate : S

Win Rate: A

Win Rate by Game Length : A, A, C, D, Z

Overall Score : Balanced

No it's a thread on how to DEAL with Ahri more effectively.

Craft Zeppelin2 votes

1.Start out by telling yourself that Ahri is not a particularly strong champion, she just has a massive safety net. Her strength is derived from the fact Ahri can always get fed but she can rarely feed. She is outdps'd by the standard midlaners and doesn't provide nearly the amount of game-changing utility as** Lux/Orianna.**

-Why are you comparing totally different champions of a complete different genre so you can say Ahri is not strong? And the line "Ahri can always get fed but she can rarely feed" sound really, unfair to me at least. By your logic, why on earth a champion that is allowed to get not punished and get fed not op at all.

Rock MD2 votes

[{quoted}](name=Craft Zeppelin,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=yoLiOsmb,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2017-01-11T07:00:27.925+0000)

1.Start out by telling yourself that Ahri is not a particularly strong champion, she just has a massive safety net. Her strength is derived from the fact Ahri can always get fed but she can rarely feed. She is outdps'd by the standard midlaners and doesn't provide nearly the amount of game-changing utility as** Lux/Orianna.**

-Why are you comparing totally different champions of a complete different genre so you can say Ahri is not strong? And the line "Ahri can always get fed but she can rarely feed" sound really, unfair to me at least. By your logic, why on earth a champion that is allowed to get not punished and get fed not op at all.

  1. I'm comparing the midlaners you could play as opposed to Ahri. Most standard midlaners has come to mean Ryze, Syndra, Viktor, and the like, and then you have utility champions like Lux and Orianna. Ahri falls somewhere between those two categories.

  2. Did I say Ahri was unfair? Not explicitly. I did say frustrating, and that's right. She is frustrating to play against.

  3. Because she does less with the kills. You give a well played Cassiopeia or Syndra a few kills and they control the game. Give Ahri a few kills and she snowballs a few more kills and CAN win off that. But I don't think I've ever seen a game where a 2/0 Ahri was as scary as a 2/0 Viktor or something along those lines.

For example, look at Nidalee right now. She can get fed and she's stupid hard to punish. She does nothing with the kills though unless she knows how to snowball the lead really well and the opposing team lets her. Does that make her overpowered?

GenghisEmo1 votes

Yes, yes, you sir/mam, are fucking smart.

Thank you for teaching these players on how to counter me.

Now the word is out, i am going back to playing Lux XD.

Ignore the salty Ahri hater Mira. You have made a great freaking point.

Ahri has a good winrate, mostly because people allow her to win. Super easy to counter her. I remember I was so close to being like the Ahri haters. Then i decided to try Ahri, and realized how easy it is to kill her or beat her on average.

DONT FORGET Cleanse, Barrier, Exhaust (especially the Exhaust, you counter assassins and ADCs hard with it), but Barrier works pretty well too at times.

dusandendo1 votes

no. Veigar is better

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