@Riot you're absolutely hilarious.

Rock MD··177 votes·9,511 views

So I'm reading the patch notes, and I hit Guardian Angel and I hit this little gem.

>Guardian Angel’s effect is a game-changer in the right circumstances, but its incredibly high price tag makes it hard to feel confident you’ve made the right choice. It’s expensive for good reason, too - when GA is the go-to defensive item, the game state becomes one where almost every champion buys it after a lead, making it next to impossible for gold-starved opponents to break through all those extra lives. That said, squishy champions (primarily marksmen) have been feeling the pressures of being annihilated by assassins and spell-combos lately, so we’re making Guardian Angel more efficient when it’s the right call.

>That said, squishy champions (primarily marksmen) have been feeling the pressures of being annihilated by assassins and spell-combos lately, so we’re making Guardian Angel more efficient when it’s the right call.

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

I don't know whether this is funnier because they think that marksmen need help right now or because they think that Marksmen are squishy after getting Maw/Mercurial Scimitar and Sterak's.

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Support Evelynn154 votes

Yeah man those marksmen in all 4 carry positions are really struggling right now.

The Yetii Rider35 votes

[{quoted}](name=Simon Blackquill,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=mAq8LwoH,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2016-03-09T00:36:23.459+0000)

Yeah man those marksmen in all 4 carry positions are really struggling right now.

Better make it so they can all rush GA.

SpongebobIsLife38 votes

Ashe What do you mean four? You better recognize before you get crystalized.

3ofGot40ve4 votes

That is 1 marksmen.

However, take a good look at Graves and Quinn

A Miss Fortune48 votes

I think he's referring to Ashe Support being a fifth Marksman on a team, which actually works pretty well due to her CC, constant global presence, and it's difficult to win lane against a support with more range than most ADCs.

Axis the Dragon2 votes

A 5 ADC Comp is honestly not that great though, any dive comp and all 5 ADCs go to shit lmao

It was blind pick, so it was on us, but we picked a 5 ADC Comp and we ended up playing against Olaf top, hecarim jungle, fizz mid. Lmao we got destroyed so hard

junglerboy164 votes

Except they don't anymore. There are plenty of semi-tank marksmen options which make dive comps inefficient. With this GA buff, 5 ADC comp will be even better.

PDE5 Inhib1 votes

I think that a dive comp would still beat a 5 ADC comp. Of course it's nearly impossible to say, though, because of differing skill levels.

Anrui7 votes

Malphite : All AD comp, you know what that means.

Rammus : Ok.

Malphite / \ Rammus

Nautilus : Dada-deeeeeee

WacingTheFind10 votes

Taric: Can I join?

Nilok2 votes

Pantheon Get your new armor and hammer, we need to squish some weaklinks!

WacingTheFind1 votes

They are priviliged to die at our outrageous feet! (see what I did here?)

StealthWarden2 votes

rush item 3022 on ashe...its hilarious*[slayer-pantheon-popcorn]*

It Hertz When IP1 votes

Do the slows even stack? I thought they didn't.

Bhagswag3 votes

They don't. Lol. You're better off rushing hurricane for slowing both laners at once.

Kaeblen4 votes

Graves / Quinn top Twitch / Kindred jg Corki / Varus mid Ashe sup KogMawadc

plenty of room for variation there

3TWarrior1 votes

you forgot caitlynn or jhin support/adc combo XD caitlynn trap on top of his mines and you've got a big problem XD

Kaeblen1 votes

good point!

I had thought of those 2 for support, but I never considered the brutal combo they would make!

3TWarrior1 votes

if it becomes a thing, they will probably see nerfs because you could literally deny the whole lane by placing them in a line or on top of each other...the opponents would have to do a lot of guessing and multitasking/memorization

EboybiterKDA2 votes

was the joke too hard for you to understand?

Turdong lite1 votes

and that's only 2, and those are the 2 problem marksman. all the others arent doing particularly well and graves got nerfed pretty hard

fukimissHarambe1 votes

KogMaw

Cpt Chap Stick4 votes

isn't he cute =D

Photos of Ghosts1 votes

he is :3

Cpt Chap Stick1 votes

till he barfs on your face at 5 per second =(

Photos of Ghosts6 votes

still cute :3

Dairdrek8 votes

You have to rush thorn mail

MyTeamIsAwsome6 votes

thornmail on ashe is op. I learned it in the tutorial

thumbnail950 votes

It is very clear that they have 0 clue what they are doing now.

Xonra15 votes

It is starting to feel like there are two completely different teams trying to balance the game at the same time.

LankPants3 votes

I think Riot's taking the saying '1000 monkeys working at 1000 typewriters will eventually produce a work of Shakespeare' a little too literally. They should probably put the monkeys away and let actual people do the balancing.

IreliaCarrlesU13 votes

everyone above,and below me needs to chill.

or go to school for game design, make over 100 dynamic characters in a game, about 90 or so stat modyfiers for them, most with extra effects, and then come back and say the same shit.

Rock MD2 votes

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everyone above,and below me needs to chill.

or go to school for game design, make over 100 dynamic characters in a game, about 90 or so stat modyfiers for them, most with extra effects, and then come back and say the same shit.

This isn't about game design it's about game balance please get your categories straight before trying to make a false assertion.

Quort2 votes

Balance is one of the many facets of design in a competitive arena type game.

Rock MD1 votes

{quoted}

Balance is one of the many facets of design in a competitive arena type game.

It doesn't require a PhD to say, "Hey, this isn't balanced."

Game design is far from the balance. I can say assassins are supposed to counter ADCs, and that's design, but having anti-burst items with numbers that high means an issue with the balance.

Quort3 votes

It does not require a PhD, but a comprehensive assessment does require large amounts of data and analysis from a variety of players, divisions, and regions that you are not privy to. It also necessitates a deep understanding of the game and its intended direction which, by the way, is constantly disagreed upon by multiple parties with different ideas of balance and progression.

So yes, like you were saying, it definitely doesn't take a PhD to provide an opinion. However, how well educated that opinion is and whether it has merit is difficult to determine because of the subjectivity of balance and the scale to which it must be applied.

thumbnail91 votes

{quoted}

everyone above,and below me needs to chill.

or go to school for game design, make over 100 dynamic characters in a game, about 90 or so stat modyfiers for them, most with extra effects, and then come back and say the same shit.

And in the end it doesn't take someone that's done that to know that ADC's do not need buffs in this game at the moment. I will say that GA probably needed a buff but the type of item it is just has no real place in this game. It will always be to weak for the team that needs it and to strong for the team that doesn't.

IreliaCarrlesU1 votes

he game, is changing, and if the people changing he game feel adcs will need a buff. i wouldn't be mad about it.

id assume that its because something that will be fucking adcs is on the way. like the mid year mage update, or aurelion sol. or item buffs to assassins, or the fact that people are actually learning to use their free zed ult instead of crying.

thumbnail91 votes

{quoted}

he game, is changing, and if the people changing he game feel adcs will need a buff. i wouldn't be mad about it.

id assume that its because something that will be fucking adcs is on the way. like the mid year mage update, or aurelion sol. or item buffs to assassins, or the fact that people are actually learning to use their free zed ult instead of crying.

Yeah because ADC' haven't already proven between Maw, Gauge, and Scimitar they can't beat any burst in the game. Now they want them to get 700 more HP. So you can heal for 400, gauge proc for 600, have another 400 from maw, and then get 700 back after you die on top of not being able to cc them thanks to Scimitar.

Surfer Ashe31 votes

Can't wait to go back to S2/3 where 3+ members of the enemy team had GA. GREAT TIMES!

/wrists

TurquoiseYoshi29 votes

Is the meta marksmen everywhere?

Is the meta Zz'rot + Banner tanks?

Is the meta AD assassins?

Is the meta Titanic Hydra + Full tank items?

Is the meta Rageblade + Sated?

Who the fuck knows?

Xonra3 votes

Rageblade + sated is pretty much a solo queue only meta thing.

The others can honestly all be within the same game, so it is more a meta within a role than an overall meta.

zz'rot and banner is mostly on the likes of just Naut and Mao, so that is less a Meta overall thing and on those two champs specifically. Zz'rot in general is more most top laners where banner is more often tanky supports.

Again the ad assassins is mostly solo queue, unless you count lee because you don't see much zed/yasuo/talon in pro games. Zed being the only exception of the three that is even being played past solo queue.

Not seeing a lot of titanic hydra full tanks, as much as titanic hydra bruiser abuse on Fiora and the like outside of fringe cases on Darius and such. That is far from a meta and just a good item being a good item otherwise we would be calling for a "boots" meta.

forresto2 votes

clearly you havent seen the zzrot + banner heimerdinger build. one of the weirdest yet bullshittiest builds ive seen.

Hemulen Magi19 votes

I think there's been a miscommunication. What they are doing makes decent sense but they aren't explaining it well. They want carries to take GA instead of Sterak's - not GA with Sterak's. The goal is to make GA a clearer pick if you are on a champion without a lot of health and total AD scaling.

The plan is that having a stronger GA will mean Sterak's will be outcompeted for carries' defensive item slot. They want Sterak's to be used less often on Marksmen and APCs to have more equal access to anti-burst.

Hayaishi214 votes

Graves and Quinn build Steraks "ADcs are tanky hur hur" classic retarded board.

PPPPPPPPPPPP27028 votes

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Graves and Quinn build Steraks "ADcs are tanky hur hur" classic retarded board.

Their supposed weakness is getting bursted down but when ADCs can tank a Zed with scimitar and sterak's without sacrificing damage is appalling.

Hayaishi25 votes

{quoted}

Their supposed weakness is getting bursted down but when ADCs can tank a Zed with scimitar and sterak's without sacrificing damage is appalling.

My point is that only 2 of them do it.

10110011100021 votes

I think a lot of people build Scimitar and Sterak's on adcs >_>

Hayaishi23 votes

{quoted}

I think a lot of people build Scimitar and Sterak's on adcs >_>

Doesn't mean it's as strong as it is on Graves.

And Scimitar is an ADC item, pretty sure it doesn't make them "tanky"

Xonra15 votes

When league of Warmogs was a thing, people still built it on other champs and you could have said "doesn't mean it's as strong as it is on Mundo".

Still as dumb of a response then as what you just said is now.

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