In jungle,he is okay,high damage,but I think it is normal,but rengar top is just too oppressive.Am I the only one who thinks rengar top lane should get nerfed?Idk how but I am sure they can find a way of nerfing his top lane gameplay. Edit : I aggree,his passive HAS to have an actual cooldown,because on top lane it sucks to play against
VentusKing15 votesI think his passive should have a cd per brush so he can't brush camp for free on toplane anymore
abscondita2 votes[{quoted}](name=PaG VentusKing,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=yoKXenas,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-07-21T17:12:12.992+0000)
I think his passive should have a cd per brush so he can't brush camp for free on toplane anymore
Ikr,I couldn’t even farm !And I was illaoi !
AlterMordred11 votesIts literally just his heal IMO, you trade with him and he double W's away for 100% heal, this is if you have flat out better stats, if your weaker then he just double Q's to one shot lmao
abscondita3 votesIts literally just his heal IMO, you trade with him and he double W's away for 100% heal, this is if you have flat out better stats, if your weaker then he just double Q's to one shot lmao
It’s not his healing,a lot of champs heal,I guess you can somehow deal with this,but his passive is unbeatable especially early game.I was playing illaoi (trying to learn how to play her since yesterday and was doing fine today but I went 0/9 this match,I gave rengar 1 solo kill then everything went bad in teamfights etc).I believe he should have a cd on his passive.He had freaking electrocute too.
Ryusaether1 votesIt’s not his healing,a lot of champs heal,I guess you can somehow deal with this,but his passive is unbeatable especially early game.I was playing illaoi (trying to learn how to play her since yesterday and was doing fine today but I went 0/9 this match,I gave rengar 1 solo kill then everything went bad in teamfights etc).I believe he should have a cd on his passive.He had freaking electrocute too.
Lol last time a rengar banned 
hence forcing me to play my other main 
, in Ranked. I'm decent at her but I haven't been playing against the kitty cat top for years, maybe never with Illaoi.
I got engaged on multiple times by him lvl 1 and eventually I got killed. I TP'd in lane and played passively, only trading by taking his spirit, then got to lvl 6, proceeded to destroy him and later his jgl ganking as well, and he goes crying in all chat about Illaoi being stupid.
Now, I know Illaoi has some stupid interactions, but you literally did half my health lvl 1 with 2 jumps and 1 single spell, and then come here and tell me my champ is dumb?
Get a real toplaner if you want to fight toplane, then maybe you can come and complain (that's literally what I told him).
In general btw, from now on if I face a 
top, I'll always wait at least lvl 3, even with Darius, he's just way too obnoxious early.
PiVoRx3 votesi was always thinking that his passive needs a small cd
Tin Obliterates7 votesThe only thing I hate is how I can hug the other side of the lane right next to the wall to be as far away from the bushes as possible and he sometimes still manages to jump on me.
Z3SIeeper5 votesHis bush AA range is almost the same as Caitlyn's. Absolutely ridiculous.
And for the cherry on top, he can walk out of the bush and still leap, as if he needed a training wheel mechanic.
HonorIsNtheHeart5 votesI agree. He is oppressive unless you just flat have better stats. So maybe like darius/renek.
abscondita1 votesI agree. He is oppressive unless you just flat have better stats. So maybe like darius/renek.
I played illaoi top.I am trying to learn how to play her..I had grasp and inspiration (I used clepto the first time I played her and I felt like I could not use it correctly).It was a nightmare against his passive,he had electrocute.
bluefire mark 24 votesAs a rengar top player i will say- rengar is just a lane bully. He will win most match ups, and possibly 2v1 you and jg if he is good enough and the two of you are bad enough. Yes he abuses the top bushes, but that's the only thing that makes rengar viable. Putting a cd on his passive would gut the champion entirely unless it was insanely short, in which case it makes no thematic sense, it would feel awkward for rengar players, it would be a nerf to an already not amazing champion, etc.
Rengars job is to win the laning phase. He'll likely screw you over, and if he doesn't he becomes a useless kitty cat. If you have to, just stay under tower. He can't kill you there very easily. You only have to dodge e's, stay back enough he can't q and get out of tower range, and care for tiamat and w aoe.
I could say morr but i gtg. If you'd like some counter tips and such let me know. I'll be happy to help.
abscondita2 votes[{quoted}](name=bluefire mark 2,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=yoKXenas,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2019-07-21T18:22:20.492+0000)
As a rengar top player i will say- rengar is just a lane bully. He will win most match ups, and possibly 2v1 you and jg if he is good enough and the two of you are bad enough. Yes he abuses the top bushes, but that's the only thing that makes rengar viable. Putting a cd on his passive would gut the champion entirely unless it was insanely short, in which case it makes no thematic sense, it would feel awkward for rengar players, it would be a nerf to an already not amazing champion, etc.
Rengars job is to win the laning phase. He'll likely screw you over, and if he doesn't he becomes a useless kitty cat. If you have to, just stay under tower. He can't kill you there very easily. You only have to dodge e's, stay back enough he can't q and get out of tower range, and care for tiamat and w aoe.
I could say morr but i gtg. If you'd like some counter tips and such let me know. I'll be happy to help.
Well I guess I will ban him or stay under turret :< but honestly,tahm kench got his passive nerfed too (he can’t stack it with his w by throwing minions or his q,only with auto attacks) .I don’t think rengar is supposed to play on top lane with 0 cd on his passive honestly:<
bluefire mark 22 votesWell yes, he's not supposed to be top lane. He was designed for as a jg. The problem is anything you do will either gut him entirely or not work.
VentusKing4 voteswhat they should remove is his ability to jump after leaving the brush extending his jump range massivly. Thats just a bland bs mechanic that shouldnt exist.
bluefire mark 21 votesI will agree to that one, he's meant to jump out of bushes so thematically and balance wise that is fine.
novac37211 votes[{quoted}](name=PaG VentusKing,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=yoKXenas,comment-id=000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-07-21T20:15:50.053+0000)
what they should remove is his ability to jump after leaving the brush extending his jump range massivly. Thats just a bland bs mechanic that shouldnt exist.
I mean you're not entirely wrong, but that mechanic actually plays a big part in his jungle pathing. For example it lets you jump to baron, wolves, etc. If the issue is with rengar in the top lane, then why hurt him in the jungle where he's supposed to be played?
Exin03 votes[{quoted}](name=bluefire mark 2,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=yoKXenas,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2019-07-21T18:22:20.492+0000)
As a rengar top player i will say- rengar is just a lane bully. He will win most match ups, and possibly 2v1 you and jg if he is good enough and the two of you are bad enough. Yes he abuses the top bushes, but that's the only thing that makes rengar viable. Putting a cd on his passive would gut the champion entirely unless it was insanely short, in which case it makes no thematic sense, it would feel awkward for rengar players, it would be a nerf to an already not amazing champion, etc.
Rengars job is to win the laning phase. He'll likely screw you over, and if he doesn't he becomes a useless kitty cat. If you have to, just stay under tower. He can't kill you there very easily. You only have to dodge e's, stay back enough he can't q and get out of tower range, and care for tiamat and w aoe.
I could say morr but i gtg. If you'd like some counter tips and such let me know. I'll be happy to help.
This is like 10th times this weak seeing this phrase "its lane bully, his job is to win". I suppose now every champion is bully and have to win lane. Perfect defense statement encompassing anything you can immagine. Chapion is too opressive? he is bully. Have little to no counterplay? he is bully. Have absurd damage? he is bully, etc.
bluefire mark 22 votesThe point of rengar top is to win lane and pressure the game to end quickly. You get outscaled by a lot of top laners. If you do happen to lose lane he is useless. There are counterpicks. I'm not saying he wins lane automatically, no counterplay he's supposed to. It's just his only job. Win lane and snowball. If he fails he's just free gold for the enemy team.
Tr4shB4NSYST3M5 votesThe really cancer thing about rengar top is that he can easily get 4 stacks off minions, starting from lvl 1 with Q and brush jumps, and when its fully stacked he massively chunks you with Brush jump AA and double Q, and theres almost no answer to this outside champs who are massively strong level 1 like 
Neumím Riven4 votesJeez, there are so many way how to counter him. Rush ninja tabi and pull the enemy minions further from bushes so he cant jump on you or you can be pussy and pick ranged top laner. Rengar is managebale unless your toplaner has a bronze skill. Therefore nothing would help you.
macspam3 votesYeah i do think rengar should have to work harder to get a lead considering how easily he can oneshot when ahead.
Z3SIeeper3 votesNo you are not.
hiyares2 votesthe thing about rengar top is hes literally just gonna sit n bush jump auto q slow run back to bush repeat. its literally the same as a panth lane tbh one he hits 6 and he hasn't or cant kill you in lane he will be all over the map one shotting everyone else who cant build health or armor. the way you deal with him in lane is you have to just hug tower to be honest and make trades ith him as he jumps out for cs to take advantage of not being slowed while behind minions. you wont win the lane realistically by trying to fight him its just another one of those top match ups where you hug and do nothing all game.
Kazukes2 votesI feel like rengar top is trash. but then again I mainly play urgot I just all in him if he ever jumps on me. haven't lost lane to a rengar like ever.
ArtumisPrime1 votesEmpirical evidence is against you on this one. Your champion might be good against him, but that doesn't make the champion in that lane trash.
He is ridiculously strong in high elo with bush abuse, and snowballs insanely hard.
Toxic Teeto1 votesDelete top lane bushes
Bouncemaster Zac1 votesI've been saying this for a long time but always got told to "get good." Rengar has 800 leap range, plus a "feature" where he can take a full step out of the bush before losing the ability to leap, so his actual leap range is 800 + his movespeed, meaning his leap covers the entire lane, and offers essentially 0 reaction time. Combine with hus lack of mana costs, built in sustain, and negligible cooldowns, there's basically nothing to do against him.
BackdoorPrincess1 votesTBH I never got why his passive wasn't based on vision, like he's the ultimate predator, that pounce should only refresh if he jumps from a bush they don't have vision on, if you jump from a bush that has vision it should go on a cd to prevent that exact scenario
I'd say to prevent it entirely but then you could tell if they know you're coming instantly by seeing no jump
TheBrothersGrymm1 votesif they gave his passive a CD it wouldnt be to op, but as is, vs many melee champs he hard wins early
Śhunpo1 votesHonestly he just needs to be reverted. As it stands now Rengar top lane has far too much healing and consistent all-ins. Before his rework he needed 2-3 jumps to reach full ferocity since it was 5, now he only needs 4 ferocity AND he gets one stack just by using his passive jump.
Additionally, his W heal is so much more unhealthy now as grey health is just an unhealthy mechanic, especially for top lane. On top of all that it's a cleanse when used as its empowered version. Before the rework his W just granted resistances, with his empowered W being a flat heal (which wasn't that large to begin with). Oh, and he gets free movement when using an empowered ability now, great rework lmao.
I would also like to add that this isn't just a Rengar problem, almost every single top laner in the game is extremely oppressive, with worthy mentions going to 
just to name a few. The new runes just make it far too easy to kill your lane opponent in one rotation, or in Rengar's case, whenever he wants since Grasp/Fleet grant him access to a large amount of sustain to pair with his W(s).
His passive isn't actually the problem, you can punish his passive extremely hard, the problem is that he gets ALL of his ferocity from one jump any time after level 3, as well as the fact that runes are overloaded.
Yes you are. He should be outright gutted.
