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abscondita··4 votes·3,598 views

Hi,I am a noob jungle (I am not perfect in the game in general though but jg is the only role I suck at).For the past few days I’ve been trying to play jungle.I only like kindred and camille at this point and other junglers seem boring to me.I know kindred is VERY hard but she is really interesting and I think it helps me learn jungle better because of map awarness I need to have for my marks ,enemy jungle ,enemy roams etc.Also, kalista is hard too and everyone told me but I fell in love with her gameplay the third day I started playing league (two years ago) and she is the only adc I pick cause I liked her so much and I did not care what others said and I have now one shard for lvl 7 ,although I STILL have to improve as always,I don’t wanna sound arrogant,I just try to explain that even if a champ I really like is hard,imma stick to it.I’ve been spamming kindred jungle for the past few days,all day long from the moment I wake up till I sleep and despite some games,the other games have been horrible.My team doesn’t look at the map for some reason and I do not say it is their duty to protect me but when I am at bot river and an enemy jg chases me early game and they are not as squishy as I am,I ping and go towards bot but nobody cares about me and I die in jungle...If I was better I would have survived that.Last game with kindred was terrible and I literally stopped crying a few minutes ago (game ended 10 min ago).I was 0/2 with only 55 farm at 18:26 and overall the score was 17/2 so we lost.Only top laner was doing something in the game and I felt bad for ruining it for them... Also,every time,my marks in jungle seem to be gone cause they take them.If I am around scuttle for example and I see enemy jungler trying to kill my mark ,I ask help from Laners to get it but last game no one came and I tried to smite it but the enemy jungle has obviously some experience in jungle and was not sucking like I am so they smited it and killed me .Camille seems harder in jungle than kindred (I mostly play ranged champions).I have seen many many streams and guides but they make everything looks very easy and does not always reflect a new player’s reality and skill to do that.Any thoughts ?I would not like high elo people making fun of me and being toxic and not helping at all because they are NOW good at the game.Thank you for all the advices.

18 Comments

Padoµch2 votes

Try to take Bloodrazor instead of Warrior enchantment. Take BorK as a second item. After that just IE and Hurricane.

When playing champ like Kindred in the jungle, note that you must know where the enemy jungler is, and never let him take your stacks. Junglers are starting bot side, for the most part, and remember that your enemy will get to top lane at 2:45. Play around it, wait int eh bush, and ping your top laner. Junglers in your elo mostly do not know how to pressure lanes. Bot lane is kinda hard to gank, and you are at a higher risk of dying there. For Kindred its mostly safe to gank top, and mid, if they dont have an assassin, if they do, farm until lvl 6. If you have problem that your slow on E isnt enough, take blue smite :).

Meteora7071 votes

Junglers are starting bot side

every good jungler starts red buff

abscondita1 votes

Tbh I’ve noticed people invade my blue with kindred but I always start red because it seems to me it helps me a lot more to go red-blue-grump-crab at first and then wolves

it be lìke that1 votes

thats subjective. if its like a gnar top, im starting bot depending who im playing. bad leashes = early backs which then = you cant do a damn thing

abscondita1 votes

...in most of the games nobody cares if I ping them and they say “I could not help you with drake because I was killing my enemy” (not a shutdown,they just want the kill) and I don’t think a drake is less important than taking a kill unless it is a champ who has to die because he is a problem for our team,or my ally has to either kill the enemy or they will die...but correct me if I am wrong,as I told you I am noob.Also a lot of times,they ask for gank and I tell them to let the enemy lane push and when I go I wait into the bush for them to stop pushing the enemy and they don’t so i leave.Enemy has a ward,sees I am gone,kills mid,then “report jungle”

Lokiethegod1 votes

Alright so hey first things first im a jungle lee sin main but I playbsome kindred as well, Kindred needs her team for marks, I recommend watching some guides on youtube first on basic jungle pathing and what lane priority is because that is so important for invades and getting rhose marks. Also Learn your mark spawn timings. You want a full reset right before if you are going for that mark. Its also very important to note they just changed her to allow a teammate to help kill the mark and if they take it by mistake you can still get the mark as long as you attacked it within a few secs of death.

Next up way risk vs reward, Can your top or mid roam up to help? (for top side marks) can your bot or mid roam up?(for bot sides) For scuttle marks ping the ever living shit out of both mid and the other lane till they come help get it. Kindred is extremely easy to kill early you need to have priority in at least one close lane before invading for any mark.

Remember the number 4 that is how many marks you need before you get your extra range which you need for any team fight honestly.

Another thing you need to learn is tracking the other jungler. Did you just see him ganking bot while you have a top side mark come up well thats your chance go for it. Most common marks outside scut are krogs-groump-raptors-wolves.

Also learn when do go kindred and when not to as well dont just auto lock the champ if your top is going say darius into jayce and your mid is say veigar vs lux might not want to go kindred because you have (on paper) losing lanes in both top and mid. These are only two show cases of course but the problem persist now say your team as the lux and jayce its not a bad call to go kindred.

The biggest advice i can give you though is beware most under say high plat dont really know how to play for a kindred so talk to your teammates about what you are doing before you do it. Just a simple " top control lane krogs marked be ready to roam". Then go for it. That way they know hey my jungler is invading let me hard shove this in so i can help if needed .

Lokiethegod1 votes

Also man you got to calm down bad games happen if you are not getting anything done dont worry about it you can ff at 15 and go to the next game more so when it cones to learning new champs even more when off role. If the game was that bad and tilting take a break, play an ARAM a bot game or just get off league for an hour watch another guide or just relax

There is a site called proguides that i can not recommend enough their guides are very well done dont be afraid to check those out or just sewrch jungle pathing guide on youtube. Watch some good teaching streamers heizman is good for this even though he only plays Lee sin he explains what he is doing and why he is doing it most of the time, look for streamers like that more so those that focus on jungleing as their role

abscondita1 votes

Well ty ^^ Well my losses those days I practice jg are so many,I’ve forgotten how carrying with a main is :’C and instead of strong in game I feel useless..I get my honors I. Some games tho ^^ ! I do the first with the ff especially when I see other lanes are doing bad also ,or if we have super bad team against them but there is always this one lane who has more kills than deaths and doesn’t understand they can’t win the game alone so we end up ff before they break our last turrets. I’ve watched nightblue,he explains it very well with kindred too,I just kinda lost my interest to him because I saw a video in which he was very rude towards a person who wasn’t trolling and the person got a ban...I still watch just not with the same joy xd

abscondita1 votes

Nobody looks map but a few people,I sometimes ping ping ping PING cause they are killing me behind mid bush and mid doesn’t even care...I don’t understand why are people so mean and only care about their personal score in the game.I mean yes I also care,I prefer to have 5/3/4 than 1/7/8 but you know what I mean...I only ignore people when they really push into 3 enemies alone when I ping def turret with which I also mean stay under turret ...if I go too they will kill us both.I ask help for marks and I’ve noticed they help me,but most of them don’t understand kindred so ...What annoys me more in jg is that I want to take drakes when they come out,or kill enemy jg with help before even better so I try to gank bot before that and try to make them go b so me and my bot go drake...Mostly ignore me unles I go premade or there is someone that actually mains or plays jg so they understand...Well I feel useless :c But I’ve made progress since four days ago!

it be lìke that1 votes

this is honestly one of the worst times to play jungle for mains even, so i can only imagine the misery of trying to learn it right now. You chose 2 pretty hard choices to start out with, i would likely go with kindred over cam right now. Kindred vision is key and dont be afraid to ping help to your laners for your marks, most of the time they will assist. DO NOT take bloodrazer like suggested below or bork for that matter, not even YI builds bork right now and that says a lot. You will be a tickle machine. Warrior into rapidfire handcannon then IE is the best core build for kindred.

Kindred is great at kiting camps to conserve hp but their downfall is they NEED the marks, and often times you cant get them solo if your laner is losing.

abscondita1 votes

Honestly,my teammates don’t really help me get my marks and sometimes they even go get them so I ping like crazy and they usually leave but ugh....in my elo,they don’t help me get marks so I ping to tell them to be AT LEAST aware.Most of the times they aren’t and I die...So I do something wrong too...Razorblade was good though ,I tried it,I am gonna try what you suggested this game ^^ ty

it be lìke that2 votes

then i would make a copy paste message saying "i may ping yall for my marks, I NEED them to do damage. please help if you can, kindred's strength revolves around getting these and i cant help you without them"

abscondita1 votes

Omg this is me every game ,last game I was trying to get crab from Rammus and I was pinging like crazy and both mid and not ignored me for their farm.Hard match tbh,someone started targeting enemy adc alone after rammus died and I lost all of my hope for that infernal.Xd I don’t think a lot of people care about how kindred works in my elo ,especially yasuos who can’t play team games and blame everyone but themselves and they remember they have a team when they die.

it be lìke that1 votes

tbh thats not going to get any better. people often dont care about anyones mechanics but their own. if i get anyone to roam with me im shocked. honestly, help them first and they are more likely to help you. if not, and they keep screwing you over, take their cs.

abscondita1 votes

I agree with you that I have to start being more independent but I started playing jg this week xd and I am also not that good to actually play a team game without a team yet..sadly..for example everyone tells me to carry those who go bad but I really cannot so I hope jungle helps me learn how to roam when I am mid.Most people are like kinds and they ping for kills all the time they don’t understand that even if they have 25/2 they can lose a game.

it be lìke that1 votes

idk maybe i got lucky with the team, but i just played a game of kindred and absolutely hard carried. but thankfully my pyke escorted me to a few of my marks early on, i had 10 marks at around 16 mins which is pretty high.

just prioritize marks. your mark is top and jungler is bot? go get it asap

abscondita1 votes

I rarely have a team who will help with marks even when I have enemy kindred and I wanna take her marks.But I am noob jg too so it is also my fault some games fail .

abscondita1 votes

Thanks to everyone,I am now lvl 6 kindred ^-^

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