Please stop letting burst mages play as supports

Whats not healthy is the damage being so high that landing a single root or stun = a kill 99% of the time. Remember when a hook support was annoying because they would land one hook and then just kept CCing as you got DPS'd down over 5 seconds? Now a hook support lands one hook and you die in 3 seconds before they even have to ult. With a burst mage support you've eaten two full combos and died before their one 0.75 sec root wears off... even though one of those combos came from an attack damage carry who isn't supposed to have burst!

Tone down the burst on marksmen. Remove the AP on Spellthief's. And stop handing out buffs. Nerfs only until 100-0 isn't happening with anything less than a first back assassin full comboing a first back mage who didn't buy armor.

There's nothing to stop what's going on now besides making enchanters and healers redonk good again. Everything creep means the old supporty ways are out for the broader game.

Riot just needs to fix the burst meta, the problem right now is that mages and assassins sort of just outperform, and since assassins in the support role (short of pyke) are still luckily a no-no in the community mage supports are taking over

Then stop going all AD melee assassin in every other role and creating imbalanced, overspecialized teams. There are more champions than just Yasuo.

Support lux and morg play like enchanters and the majority of supports being played are enchanters. Damage supports are almost never played.

Like most bot lanes don't need lot damage and will win most fights if the just support the adc and not do damage.

But also yes they're really annoying.

I think a burst mage support is a valid playstyle. Zoning for the carry and setting up kills for them is an interesting and dynamic style of supporting that should stay in the game.

My problem is that these "supports" continue to scale despite low gold income. Somehow they can afford a full burst mage build, expensive items like Luden's and Deathcap, and continue playing the game normally from the mid-game onwards as though they had gone mid.

Burst mages should fall off if they go support instead of continuing to scale like a midlane mage should.

How will they stop it? lolol. It's bad enough we have role enforcement in this shitty game, you want class enforcement too?

It's almost like they aren't as efficient in their "primary" lanes or something >.>

Here’s a fix, stop playing lulu. Lulu herself is a cancer champ with an insane amount of peel and dmg amp while allowing her teammates to kite and survive burst. She is honestly way worse of a problem if she is a prominent pick. Burst mage supports have the same weaknesses as lulu save for lux(who runs aftershock and maxes W), low HP high utility/dmg. Which is why on every tierlist you go on, S+ tier picks are all hook champs since hooks and displacements counter everything they stand for. They have no escapes and if they get caught out with a hook they die near instantly every time. And whats more is that you included on your mini list of champs as if she is anything close to a burst mage. She is only S tier right now because she can counter hooks with her black shield and people run her as an insurance pick.

adapt. you can't just complain because they're playing the game to win

Who are you to determine what a "normal support champion" is? Just because the role is called support doesnt mean every champion is an overwatch mercy heal bot. Also dont be surprised you die quickly when you get hit by cc when its two champions hitting you and you have no defensive items.

I was thinking about this a lot and the problem isn't really Brand, Zyra and Lux supports I believe, but the problem is that healing up all that damage drains your mana more, than their spells. This issue is especially prevalent if you are playing Sona, because if you use your W to sustain yourself and you ADC, you will quickly run out of mana, while the enemy barely even burned their mana. I think this is their only issue, but e.g Nami can outsustain all burst mages. And Sona is basically a part-time burst/DPS, spell weaver mage, so her high mana costs are partly due to how oppressive can be she in lane. Bard is also sort of a "damage oriented" support.

At this point it isn't really worth banishing mages out of botlane, because they kind of became integral part of it. They are in the so called category of kill lane supports, which is an umbrella term for all supports, who were supposed to help some ADCs at dealing damage, because some ADCs have kind of weak early damage (Ashe e.g).

People tend to underestimate marksmen because right now they are kind of outscaled by mage supports and such, however play a game without marksmen and you will realize that even if you have huge kill potential, without a marksman you can't convert those kills to strategical advantage. Believe it or not, but marksman is the best at objective control, sieging towers and defending towers.

just so weak after all these nerfs she has very low cast range to compete against those battle mages and her shields duration very low even lasts less than Aery which isn't fair for that cooldown.

If only mages had mana costs instead of being able to 24/7 throw around their spells...

As someone who plays Vel, zyra and brand support, I think more then anything, it's just how the game has shifted metas. You go mid now, and maybe 75% of the time you lane against someone with mobility. Mobility hard counters these champs. Now I understand that if you are good you'll play well in mid regardless of your opponent. I agree the damage and burst creep has gotten high, and should be toned down a bit.

But I feel mobility creep is a problem too. I like to play my siege mages and I understand meta shifts means I have to adapt, and rightfully so. But it's become increasingly difficult to play siege mages when a majority of the time you play against someone who hard counters you because they have mobility. OR, heaven forbid, Kassadin. But that's a whole nother thing on it's own.

I don't have any solutions to really fix the problem itself, just options that ultimately hinder other types of game play. So not sure how to actually balance this issue.

Im a support main, and its perfectly, wholly, and entirely fair. Burst mages do well into low CC and low HP targets, and get countered by engage supports. Dont like burst mages? Play Thresh, Leona, Pyke, Alistar, Amumu, Blitzcrank etc.

Or, if you really want to continue to play lulu, invest defensively and ult properly. Your heals and shields should be able to negate enough of a burst rotation to win the fight.

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