I was just curious.I tried clepto the first time I played her and I couldn’t use it correctly,it confused me (haven’t played with clepto before).A friend of mine told me (you have to get clepto,grasp is wrong.Feel free to comment what you think.
Jimmy Rustles1 votesYea, I'm calling the police
abscondita2 votes[{quoted}](name=Jimmy Rustles,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=1MZhLRbj,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-07-21T18:24:25.978+0000)
Yea, I'm calling the police
Ty most policemen are hot
Jamaree1 votesEither is fine, klepto is generally better, but you can make grasp work because of her E.
abscondita1 votesEither is fine, klepto is generally better, but you can make grasp work because of her E.
Thank u :>
MirirLightHammer1 votesquestion, have you EVER played illaoi before trying klepto? because if you didn't then klepto wasn't the problem, it was you. Kleptomancy gives you a great advantage but you lose the extra sustain you would get from Grasp or Conqueror and you also lose a lot of tankyness, if you just picked illaoi up you will have problems with that rune. Whenever you pick up a new champ, use the "safer" build, do some bot matches and once you learned the ropes of that champion, switch to more risky but rewarding builds, like illaoi with klepto and darius with conqueror. and who knows, maybe klepto just isn't the rune for you, maybe your style is more along the lines of grasp [slayer-jinx-catface]
Moody P1 votesI would say Klepto is the better safe choice due to inspiration tree giving so much mana sustain. Its a lot more forgiving for Illaoi to have all that extra healing from potions and biscuits while they learn the champions ins and outs.
abscondita1 votes[{quoted}](name=Moody P,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=1MZhLRbj,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2019-07-21T18:39:25.763+0000)
I would say Klepto is the better safe choice due to inspiration tree giving so much mana sustain. Its a lot more forgiving for Illaoi to have all that extra healing from potions and biscuits while they learn the champions ins and outs.
Yes I believe I would like mana sustain :>
abscondita1 votesquestion, have you EVER played illaoi before trying klepto? because if you didn't then klepto wasn't the problem, it was you. Kleptomancy gives you a great advantage but you lose the extra sustain you would get from Grasp or Conqueror and you also lose a lot of tankyness, if you just picked illaoi up you will have problems with that rune. Whenever you pick up a new champ, use the "safer" build, do some bot matches and once you learned the ropes of that champion, switch to more risky but rewarding builds, like illaoi with klepto and darius with conqueror. and who knows, maybe klepto just isn't the rune for you, maybe your style is more along the lines of grasp [slayer-jinx-catface]
No,when I played her for the first time I took clepto so u are right xd .I also feel like grasp is closer to my play style :> I just see everyone in streams taking clepto so I was curious :>
MirirLightHammer1 votestry her more, everyone sucks the first times with a new champ :)
Moody P1 votesI would say yes. Grasp is only decent on Illaoi and the meager durability you get from Resolve doesn't really matter much at the time Resolve is most important. Illaoi has enough range, sustain and wave control to not need it even in losing lanes.
I would recommend these runes as your primary choices: Conqueror (Sorcery 2nd), Hail of Blades (Precision or Sorcery second), Klepto (same as Hail). These 3 keystones give you much better mileage in addition to scaling very well.
When you take Sorcery 2nd you want to take Manaflow and Transcendence, no exceptions. These runes are insanely good on her.
Grasp is not a bad rune but I would not say its good, either.
TakaDama1 votesA few things:
Electrocute seems better with her kit, even if it was nerfed; she doesn't get a lot from just simply auto-attacking, and Electrocute is easy to proc as well. Predator might be a consideration to help her get around the map faster, allowing her to take Ignite, Exhaust, or Cleanse over Teleport.
I am actually curious as to which runes you take for Precision secondary; I can get Overheal, Triumph, and Transcendence, but not sure whether Legend: Tenacity or Last Stand or Coup de Grace is used.
abscondita1 votesA few things:
Electrocute seems better with her kit, even if it was nerfed; she doesn't get a lot from just simply auto-attacking, and Electrocute is easy to proc as well. Predator might be a consideration to help her get around the map faster, allowing her to take Ignite, Exhaust, or Cleanse over Teleport.
I am actually curious as to which runes you take for Precision secondary; I can get Overheal, Triumph, and Transcendence, but not sure whether Legend: Tenacity or Last Stand or Coup de Grace is used.
Ty :>
Moody P1 votesPlay it yourself and you'll see how good Hail works on her. Illaoi does plenty of auto damage already thanks to W and using it means she can both pump out damage faster, either in a direct trade or on the spirit, and uses up less mana to do so. Electrocute damage is generally more "wasted" on the spirit.
Hail has a lower cool down as well which puts it at perfect synergy with linking it to E.
Precision runes depends entirely on the game for me. Of CC is concern then I will take Tenacity, otherwise I run triumph and last stand.
abscondita1 votes[{quoted}](name=Moody P,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=1MZhLRbj,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2019-07-21T18:36:58.463+0000)
I would say yes. Grasp is only decent on Illaoi and the meager durability you get from Resolve doesn't really matter much at the time Resolve is most important. Illaoi has enough range, sustain and wave control to not need it even in losing lanes.
I would recommend these runes as your primary choices: Conqueror (Sorcery 2nd), Hail of Blades (Precision or Sorcery second), Klepto (same as Hail). These 3 keystones give you much better mileage in addition to scaling very well.
When you take Sorcery 2nd you want to take Manaflow and Transcendence, no exceptions. These runes are insanely good on her.
Grasp is not a bad rune but I would not say its good, either.
Tysm,sorcery sounds better as a secondary,I could maybe take precision in the start because sometimes I am too afraid to kill a champ and I leave them with 10 hp,I don’t chase :<
Death by Glamour1 votesI always thought hail of blades was the way to go on her
abscondita1 votes[{quoted}](name=Death by Glamour,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=1MZhLRbj,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2019-07-21T18:40:43.880+0000)
I always thought hail of blades was the way to go on her
Haven’t tried it,I only take this rune on kalista (I don’t use other runes as first page ever on her) ^-^ I mostly play illaoi with abilities so idk if I am capable of using hail :} tysm for your response
TakaDama1 votesWhile I used to prefer Grasp of the Undying myself, Kleptomancy is ultimately better to help her reach power spikes earlier as well as stay in lane longer thanks to mana and health potion drops.
Real question, I believe, is which is the better secondary rune set?
Domination with Sudden Impact and Ravenous Hunter?
Sorcery with Manaflow Band and Transcendence?
To put the latter into context, Illaoi needs mana to do work, and since her W can proc Manaflow Band and her E counts as a champion for proccing it, it helps her stay in lane longer. As for Transcendence, a good chunk of items good for her have 10% to 20% CDR attached (Death's Dance, Black Cleaver, Trinity Force, Spirit Visage, Spear of Shojin, Iceborn Gauntlet, etc.) and making use of the excess CDR seems really good.
[Note: I tend to build Iceborn Gauntlet as the armor item as the AoE physical damage and AoE slow synergize so well with W and Death's Dance; in fact I tend to build it more than Black Cleaver as the Phage proc is mostly wasted on her and the armor shred, while easy to stack, is honestly kind of wasted unless a majority of your team is AD or the enemy is building armor; thankfully Kindlegem builds into Spear of Shojin and Spirit Visage as well]
abscondita1 votesWhile I used to prefer Grasp of the Undying myself, Kleptomancy is ultimately better to help her reach power spikes earlier as well as stay in lane longer thanks to mana and health potion drops.
Real question, I believe, is which is the better secondary rune set?
Domination with Sudden Impact and Ravenous Hunter?
Sorcery with Manaflow Band and Transcendence?
To put the latter into context, Illaoi needs mana to do work, and since her W can proc Manaflow Band and her E counts as a champion for proccing it, it helps her stay in lane longer. As for Transcendence, a good chunk of items good for her have 10% to 20% CDR attached (Death's Dance, Black Cleaver, Trinity Force, Spirit Visage, Spear of Shojin, Iceborn Gauntlet, etc.) and making use of the excess CDR seems really good.
[Note: I tend to build Iceborn Gauntlet as the armor item as the AoE physical damage and AoE slow synergize so well with W and Death's Dance; in fact I tend to build it more than Black Cleaver as the Phage proc is mostly wasted on her and the armor shred, while easy to stack, is honestly kind of wasted unless a majority of your team is AD or the enemy is building armor; thankfully Kindlegem builds into Spear of Shojin and Spirit Visage as well]
Iceborn sounds good as a tanky item for illaoi,I will try it thank u :>
Tychusfindlay9181 votesgrasp is insanely good for level 1 W pokes into many melee matchups.
It ultimately allows for much better scaling too in terms of oiverall rune setup, but its noticeably weaker pre 6
abscondita1 votesgrasp is insanely good for level 1 W pokes into many melee matchups.
It ultimately allows for much better scaling too in terms of oiverall rune setup, but its noticeably weaker pre 6
Well I take grasp because I think it is safer for a noob illaoi player like me :>
l MrD l1 votesI always go conqueror lol
abscondita1 votes[{quoted}](name=l MrD l,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=1MZhLRbj,comment-id=0007,timestamp=2019-07-21T19:04:12.194+0000)
I always go conqueror lol
I think it would be broken , but I feel like I won’t really work it the right way with illaoi :> I take it with irelia and very rearly with kindred instead of pta (in jg) - irrelevant xd
heroikc1 votesI'd rather see Illaoi nerfed. But seriously, how could you mess Klepto up? Use a spell, then whack the champ. It procs like grasp.
LordGeovanni1 votesnah klepto scares people out of the lane. Grasp helps you sustain in a fight. which is usefull if you fight anything tankier and ranged champions actually clear out your tentecles.