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Support main in bronze : Help

abscondita·8/1/2019, 1:56:47 PM·2 votes·1,422 views

Hello,I have noticed my best role is probably support.I am currently lvl 6 bard (in a week) and I love his kit and all.I also main karma but I don’t play her as much atm,I might keep doing it later on.The problem is,my teams don’t understand that every support is different.Eveyone flames and wants the support to eventually save them all.They say “WHY DON’T YOU HEAL REPORT” when I actually heal when my cd is ready and I try to explain them the instant heal from my w is almost nothing and that bard uses his kit to deal damage and make plays (mostly) and roam.Anyway,I am tired of people who cannot play safe at all.I am not interested yet in brand.I try to make myself interested.Ca I climb with Nami?I think her kit really suits me and she has heals too so...Can I actually climb with Nami?I know I can climb with any champ,but I don’t have a team most of the time and People feed or position themselves wrong and they pick champs who have played 3 games with.I also tend to have the bad adc,but there are times I have the GOOD adc and the enemy has the r%%%%% one.I never flame in game,I on%%%%%ll them what to do in caps if they don’t listen and the same thing happens 3-4 times in a row...Again nobody is listening.I have focused on my personal play and people from higher elos have told me “stop playing normals that much,you are really very good,you play well,you play better than most of your teams and enemies”.I always know that improvement never stops.I just need an advice : How do I carry a 0 team in bronze as support?Sorry for asking again,I know Nami is not brand or Zyra but CAN I CARRY WITH NAMI ?I feel like the same will happen...With bard I try to help as much as possible,I deal damage,I know when to back off and play safe,I try to give kills and I take kills when they are not secured and might escape,especially early so the enemy falls behind.No matter what people tell me about my advantage of knowing how to play safe and when to be aggressive and that objects are more important than kills (yes people tend to chase kills and ignore objectives and I am tired of people on my team flaming each other for ks and trying to kill a useless enemy instead of pushing the free turret right in front of them),I STILL FEEL USELESS.SHOULD I GET DEMOLISH WITH BARD ON THE SECOND RUNE PAGE INSTEAD OF SORCERY? I am lost. Bard helped me improve our team’s vision A LOT and I usually have a good amount of wards in our jungle and enemy jungle.So I think I am gonna start abusing karma again.But I am still sad about trying but not being able to save a team when the enemies are so far ahead and killing our team easily .

8 Comments

Darkstar Annie8/1/2019, 2:38:30 PM3 votes

Here's some unwanted tips from a plat 3 filthy one-trick support main.

  1. Disable allied and enemy chat. Chat is nothing but distracting and mentally draining in an already mentally draining game. Conserve your resources.
  2. Disable summoner names. Pointless information.
  3. Harass when enemy tries to last hit a sliver of health but don't go too ham unless you are willing to die or kill.
  4. First ward before 3 minutes. And later, only ward in safety zone based on the proximity of your own minions on map (there's a diagram out there somewhere, but use minion vision to leverage how deep you should ward so you don't get caught)
  5. When your team gets 2 kills, DO NOT RECALL. DO NOT LET YOUR TEAM RECALL. Take some objective if its late enough that the enemy can't return quickly and contest, or quickly shove all lanes down.
  6. Ping calls and ganks. As support you are the true leader of the game's tempo. You are the eyes, the overwatcher, the puppet master. While everyone else has eyes 50% on map and 50% on minions, your eyes should be 100% on the map. 1 ping can save someone, usually.
  7. Take breaks every 5 games or so, or if you feel the smallest bit of frustration creeping up.
  8. Stop playing ranked after 10 games, play normals or ARAM, or just log off. Mental fatigue is absolutely a thing.
  9. Don't try to win 100 LP in a single day. If you started at 0 LP and climbed to 30, that is a WIN for you. Even if you climbed to 60 and dropped to 30 in a day, STILL A WIN. Take your win for the day and take a break.
  10. Trust that people queued up to win. Get it out of your mind that people play this game specifically to lose. They really do want to win just as much as you do because that's the whole point of competitive video games. The problem is, they may be on tilt from previous games (losing 4v5s, toxic people in chat, losing your lane hard and not getting help and being useless are dehabilitating) and they are not playing as good as they normally would, because you can be tilted and not even know it. It builds up until you just explode on someone, fire up a forum post, or play like trash and still expecting to win, or however else you deal with it needing to let out steam.

And of course, easier said than done. I get it. As support, you have to just deal with people like you're a social worker. But the good thing is, a social worker has to listen to people berate them all day for 8 hours. You don't.

Just my 0.3 cents.

MrEkkkkkko8/1/2019, 3:58:12 PM2 votes

heres some tips for u in this situation: since ur in low elo, it means ur team normally just playing around themselves, which means no objects, no turrets, only kills/golds.

  1. play supportive champs in mid lane. This is hard for you bc u need to change ur playstyle into 1v1 matchup and roaming, probly farming and snowballing. But it is a good way to win or improve urself cuz adc wont cry about ur healing.
  2. if u think ur ready, climb higher first. So there can be many ways like looking for a duo, or just playing mid(i mean mid is good for snowballing so.), the thing is, when u climb higher, u can get a slightly better team in general, which can put u in a higher level matchups, then improve urself there.
  3. play some other champs. i saw ppl here giving u suggestions about different picks, ill suggest thresh and pyke for engaging. thresh only needs to hook and throw lantern, and only goes in with q(second cast) when u think u can survive that, then use e to cc enemy. pyke is similar but u can always save e for ur own life bc u need R to go in and get $$. but its all up to you, cuz its not ez to change playstyle just in few days

well, im not sure about ur region but in na, 80% of adc ive seen are babies and looking for babysitters everygame. if thats true, always mute ur adc.

Darkstar Annie8/1/2019, 2:42:44 PM1 votes

Also, if you aren't too mechanically challenged, I recommend just picking up ADC and see how you like that instead of relying on the type of ADC you get being a coin flip. Never know. Maybe it will grow on you after 100 games or so.

Crispy0Snake8/1/2019, 2:49:05 PM1 votes

So you shouldn't play anything that facilitates damage, as you can express a lot of skill facilitating damage but it means absolutely NOTHING if your ADC/team doesn't deal the damage (you cannot carry as Nami in Bronze)

And that's tough, because most supports are made to facilitate their ADC in some way, be it peeling for them Alistar, a great disengage Braum or healing/shielding them Janna Soraka

The alternative is to play something that deals damage until you get to an elo where the skill in facilitating damage shows through, which I'd say is about Gold

Zyra is the easiest to play, you just fish for E's. If you hit one then you just WWQ. If you have ult then you ult at the end to empower your plants, and you just do that all game until you win/lose

Alternatives are Lux, Pyke, Vel and Brand, and they're easy->hard in that order

Baby Ghoul8/2/2019, 2:59:45 AM1 votes

Your experience with your teammates as support is going to be the same no matter how far you climb. I've never been to bronze, but what you're describing is what all supports experience to some degree.

I don't know what it's like in diamond or above actually, but in gold and plat, people still ask where their heals are. They still ask why you didn't die with them and they still do not use their warding trinket. If you're a healer, they'll say they lost because you're a healer, and if you're a tank, they'll say they lost because you couldn't keep them alive. If you're a mage support, they're gonna be mad that you secured kills.

It's the same story. Nobody is going to recognize your contributions unless they look at the obscure end game stats either, which also means you have to baby your carries, especially if you're in low elo. The sooner you realize that, and get over it, the better off you'll be. Often times they'll think they're carrying on their own, and begin to feed without you, so you have to keep that in mind as well.

I wouldn't recommend disabling the chat as support either. If you're going to play support, you have to have thick skin, and you need to coordinate with your team more than other roles except for jungler. If someone is playing mind gymnastics to make it your fault that they're performing poorly, then press tab, and mute them. Otherwise, you need open communication with the team.

Secondly, ADC is your priority, but they are by no means your only responsibility. You have to always be thinking about the bigger picture and where you can best assist your team. So many supports choose to go down with the ship (their bad ADC), and that's when you get a sinking bot lane situation that engulfs the whole map. If you lose lane, you do have to roam and get other lanes ahead. Make sure your ADC knows that by pinging where you're going and setting up wards for them. Most of the time, the winning bot will head mid or top after taking the tower anyways. If they're toxic, then you especially need to find another carry.

I think that's the most important part of getting out of bronze as well. My friend was in bronze and climbed to gold this season, and what I noticed in his games is that he'd have scores like 18/7/4, but he'd still lose. When I'd check the rest of his team the bot lane would have almost no kills and no assists.

The stat you need to be focusing on now more than any other is kill participation, especially as support.

If your KP is very low, then that signals that you're doing something wrong. Your bot lane partner will not always be the carry, and in those situations you need to figure out where your carry is. It could be a Master Yi, Katarina, or Riven. If so, then support them, that's how you're going to win.

Champion builds and matchup tips are something you can easily get through guides or youtube videos. Check the dates though. You don't want anything too old. I'm an enchanter main who mostly plays Soraka, so I don't know if I could give you much advice on Karma, but I can tell you she's a great support. So is Nami, Bard, and Zyra. In bronze, it could be tempting to play something like Brand, Zyra, or Lux though. Mage supports can turn you into a carry and they do a lot of damage on a support income. Some people are opting to go mage supports due to the meta right now too. You can't always save your ADC. If an Irelia is fed, then she's going to swoop in with her mobility and delete your ADC. You can probably get a kill on her for doing that though, which is why mage supports are all the more tempting.

In bronze I'm sure it would be easier to play a damage support, so you should look into them.

Finally, ban Pyke and Yuumi.

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