"Their ADC is out of position alone it's the perfect time to kill them!" - Assassin

Akali is SO HOT·Nov 14, 2016·135 votes·5,466 views

"Nvm it was Vayne and she assassinated me with a targeted Q + auto attack before I could even damage her"

169 Comments

RalanrNov 14, 201648 votes

Oh good, you used Vayne. For a second I thought this was a complaint about assassins being too weak. But it's a Vayne hate thread.

Only Play DariusNov 14, 201610 votes

Most of the assassins are terrible though. Why play them when you can just play Annie and get frontloaded damage while also having the safety of range?

ProfDrDeathNov 14, 20169 votes

Because you don't have the targeting flexibility (mobility) of a real assassin with Annie?

doombotMECHANov 14, 201612 votes

aye. no parkour.

Kingdom CornNov 14, 201610 votes

Who needs mobility when everyone is dead?

Craft ZeppelinNov 14, 201635 votes

item 2055 "I can't see her FUUUUUUUUU!"

BoundaryBreakerNov 14, 201630 votes

literally took away 70% of her counterplay with that change

AmetDeCryptNov 14, 201613 votes

I play Lulu and just press buttons on her to completely shut her down and negate her invis for the duration of her puny life.

aspects1Nov 14, 20167 votes

then she gets qss and 1 shots you feelsbadman

AmetDeCryptNov 14, 20161 votes

dunno if you can qss polymorph, but in any case pix reveals her stealth and team promptly collapses on her because if she cleanses my w my q is right on her ass for 2 second 90% slow, problem solved.

aspects1Nov 14, 20166 votes

but your team is still focusing the tank... feelsbadman

LA LostyNov 14, 20164 votes

You can qss polymorph, its cc.

Hayaishi2Nov 14, 201616 votes

Vayne is not even weak early game anymore, back to the Vayne cycle where she dominates everything until Riot inevitably guts her, when will Riot realize Vayne is impossible to balance?

The DeckownerNov 14, 20164 votes

% max hp true damage was never a healthy mechanic

cough tank fiora cough

RalanrNov 14, 20161 votes

They brought down tank Fiora.

The DeckownerNov 14, 20165 votes

still disgusting against squishy team.

RalanrNov 14, 20161 votes

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still disgusting against squishy team.

What isn't disgusting against a squishy team? Even supports hurt a squishy team.

The DeckownerNov 14, 20162 votes

Reworked assassins.

RalanrNov 14, 20161 votes

http://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/2346120811/212142416?tab=overview

I respectfully disagree.

The DeckownerNov 14, 20162 votes

one game is not really a great sample size.

especially when u have a rengar who is basically broken.

JhomasTeffersonNov 14, 201613 votes

This is why I keep asking for her to be nerfed. Even if you manage to get in range, she tumbles away, then if you still are sticking to her, she e's. By then she can probably turn on you and kill you, even if she hasn't e'd you to a wall, her tumble is up again to outplay, and her ult bonus ms towards you makes running not an option. Tuning her numbers wont help, they need to get rid of the invisi, give her tumble a bigger cooldown/get rid of it, or get rid of her e. Otherwise the same issues will keep coming up.

UnpaladinNov 14, 20165 votes

Just like with darius and jayce. In their prime they are basically unapproachable without multiple champions or an incredible gold lead.

JhomasTeffersonNov 17, 20161 votes

And she's like nidalee or reworked talon in that, even if youre able to kill her in a 1v1, and her damage is truly no threat for some reason, shes hard as fuck to chase, even when grossly out of position pushed up in botlane while the rest of her team is at baron.

UnpaladinNov 17, 20161 votes

Gee since you put it that way it sounds so much like EKKO. why does riot put in champions with problems and not any champions that have solutions

HazyCloud7Nov 14, 201612 votes

Meanwhile adc mains "Riot added more counterplay the assassin class, please buff adcs because having the most dps in the game and a role devoted to protecting you isn't enough"

ExtviaNov 14, 20163 votes

I'm actually fine with not getting any ADC buffs and I main ADC. I'm a shit/extremely meh level Vayne player too.

420 StylishNov 14, 20166 votes

I always avoid trying to assassinate her as Zed. It's impossible if the Vayne is even slightly decent.

AninLegions777Nov 14, 20161 votes

This! Immediately you come out of untargetability, she E>R>Q and proceeds to whittle you down shot by shot. Frustrating AF.

DengedenNov 14, 20163 votes

Even if you waited out the Shiv proc and walked into melee range? Hm.

Vayne's always been the anti-assassin ADC so whatevs.

Golden Tager XNov 14, 201622 votes

Anti assassin adc, there is something seriously wrong with that, like REALLY FUCKING WRONG, Assassin<ADC<Duelist<Assassin

DengedenNov 14, 20167 votes

Not really. Anti-Assassin ADC < Teamfight ADC

Dextix LTNov 14, 201619 votes

Yet somehow she is both, have you seen vayne in teamfights?

DengedenNov 14, 20164 votes

Yeah I've seen her. She gets kited or blown up if she isn't fed or @6 items.

Dextix LTNov 14, 201627 votes

Vayne? Kited? In what universe are you living?

DengedenNov 14, 20163 votes

The one where kiting exists. The amount of CC and mobility make it possible.

Dextix LTNov 14, 201616 votes

Im sorry, are we talking about darius or vayne here?

Vayne has extremelly high movement speed, she has a low cooldown dash and invisibility on an ultimate, at the same time she has a knockback/stun and she is ranged.

How the fuck does she get kited? She is the one who kites!

DengedenNov 14, 20162 votes

So she can just tumble into the enemy team then?

There's a reason Vayne spotting was a popular meme.

Kiting out silver bolts is part of why she isn't a top tier pick.

KnoyleNov 14, 20167 votes

No she will just tumble out of the way of anything that isn't a targeted spell and be invisible so no targeted spell can hit her. Then she'll 2 shot your adc tumble again and wait for her tank to peel your tank so she can kill that poor mofo in less than 4 seconds. because your mage already got jumped on by the assassin because fuck it Vayne Killed the ADC faster than they could due to the rework.

Darf RakkiNov 14, 20165 votes

Janna Vayne, please, let's both of us stop trying to carry this whole game and admit you're in danger!

Vayne Who are you talking to right now? Who is it you think you see? Do you know how much gold I make per game? I mean, even if I told you, you wouldn't believe it. Do you know what would happen if I suddenly decided to stop building damage? This game ceases to exist without me! No, you clearly don't know who you're talking to, so let me clue you in. I am not in danger, Janna. I am the danger. An ADC goes into the team fight and gets blown up and you think that of me? No. I AM THE ONE WHO KITES!

aspects1Nov 14, 201611 votes

vayne isnt the anti assassin adc, shes the anti tank adc...

DengedenNov 14, 20162 votes

Anti-tank has always translated to duelist...

aspects1Nov 14, 201611 votes

% hp true damage -> anti tank

DengedenNov 14, 20162 votes

Every champion builds tank stats via sustain or health early game. Fact is, Vayne uses that % true damage to win extended trades, no matter against who.

She also has 2 flat AD boosts. And CC, which tanks usually don't mind thanks to tenacity stack.

aspects1Nov 14, 20165 votes

true, but she is also very slippery, esp without a pink ward to stop her, which makes it very difficult for a tank to put out any damage onto her whatsoever

DengedenNov 14, 20162 votes

Yeah, you either burst ADCs or you try to ignore their damage. "Putting damage on them" is rarely an option.

AstôlfoNov 14, 20169 votes

She's the anti-everyone ADC*

Finn Teh HumanNov 14, 20162 votes

That's like saying Jinx is "op" because she blows everyone up from 200 feet away in a team fight lol. She's doing what she's supposed to do.

MontethePythonNov 14, 20161 votes

Jinx has low mobility though, assassins still delete jinx if they get to her. Vayne simply dashes, and 2 hits the assassin that get near her, The new masteries, itemization and general meta of this season has her in an overly strong position. Vayne is not supposed to blow up everyone in 1-4 shots regardless of range and whether they're an assassin, fighter, or another adc once she completes 2 or 3 items. Yet she does, she one shots as often as jhin late game, but with good mobility and dueling, jinx and jhin blow up teams from afar, yes, but they die instantly to assassins, and have little mobility comparatively. They need heavy team peel to sit back like that, Vayne does not, she can 2 shot the mid lane talon if she meets him in the jungle.

DragonSheaNov 15, 20162 votes

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Jinx has low mobility though, assassins still delete jinx if they get to her. Vayne simply dashes, and 2 hits the assassin that get near her, The new masteries, itemization and general meta of this season has her in an overly strong position. Vayne is not supposed to blow up everyone in 1-4 shots regardless of range and whether they're an assassin, fighter, or another adc once she completes 2 or 3 items. Yet she does, she one shots as often as jhin late game, but with good mobility and dueling, jinx and jhin blow up teams from afar, yes, but they die instantly to assassins, and have little mobility comparatively. They need heavy team peel to sit back like that, Vayne does not, she can 2 shot the mid lane talon if she meets him in the jungle.

Yeah that is bullshit. having to fear her insane damage/mobility means she a lot of defensive and offensive power, either you are a fast cherry tapper or else you should be a immobile blaster, not someone that shoots out rapid fire nukes at 1000 shots per second.