some easy and sensible illaoi buffs

Big Lincoln··5 votes·921 views

just one of these will make her good

a. E debuff makes tentacles swing automatically at a vessel every 10 seconds -> 10-5 seconds scaling with level.

i think it's dumb that the timer doesn't decrease at all, the vessel debuff becomes less of a threat and more of an annoyance as soon as lane ends. put more threat on it, makes her late game much better especially if she's given the chance to set up, so now being in her zone is actually a problem for you instead of only having to worry about them being autonomous every 10 seconds.

b. immune to displacements while Qing

only fair, Illaoi roots herself in place for an entire second, you shouldn't be able to move her. when her counterplay should be avoiding her highly telegraphed abilities, she is way too easy to just force out of her own zone of power unlike every similar 'nest' champ who has hard CC to punish you for over-stepping. therefore Illaoi should be able to outplay you a different way, by nullifying things like lee kick and yasuo tornado. only a conditional buff to give her more niche power; champs who don't have displaces won't notice this

c. lower cooldown on ult to 120/95/70 from 120/105/90

simplest change. 90 seconds for this ult when there are FAR MORE devastating and less conditional than illaoi's on lower cooldowns is just silly, especially when she's so reliant on it mid-late to actually threaten people


like i said, just 1 of these changes is all she needs to be good. thx for read

17 Comments

LostFr0st2 votes

Does she need buffs though? She does a ton of damage and waveclears; I just wish people could consistently max E.

Big Lincoln3 votes

if she didn't i wouldn't make a thread about it, but she's very mediocre and easily shut down, even against champions she's meant to counter

LostFr0st1 votes

So I guess you'd need to find a place to pull power from to give it to her.

Riot doesn't seem to want to buff her or give her a skin but I think they'd at least listen if you though of something she could trim in exchange for it.

Big Lincoln2 votes

normally we don't compensation nerf weak champs but if she's too op after buff (doubtful) i'd be fine with losing a little bit of damage on W

LostFr0st1 votes

W deals no damage. It sucks and is maxed last; it's basically utility for her kit. Think of something meaningful to trade for it, since the posted buffs are meaningful too.

I'm still not really convinced she's weak though. She has a ton of counterplay like Sion does, but at the same time she wrecks whole teams like Darius if she gets her first W after her ult off.

She also has a really smooth build to 40% cdr, but I think the ult buff would be the least punishing in counterplay for no reason for enemy champions.

Big Lincoln2 votes

W deals no damage.

standard build gives her around 10-13% HP damage that adds to her basic attacks instead of replacing it. no damage? it does plenty, especially considering how she can spam it in ult

LostFr0st1 votes

You and I both know her main damage is from the slaps that follow. Along with the continued healing; rinse and repeat. That % HP damage is for lane and when hitting tanky dudes.

All Illaoi has is damage. Shaving a bit off her W would be a joke.

Please pick an alternate target.

Big Lincoln2 votes

w is her most reliable damage

All Illaoi has is damage

she has damage and zoning. so why are you asking for nerfs to 1 of the 2 things she can do well?

Please pick an alternate target.

she doesn't need compensation nerfs to begin with

LostFr0st2 votes

The lanes she's good vs aren't played much.

That's her main problem. For example, in Russia there is a lot of Xin so she's good there.

Buff a) is more punishing to melee, which she's already good vs. Buff b) also mostly punishes melees Buff c) is the only reasonable one, since having ult makes or breaks the fight.

Big Lincoln2 votes

buff a punishes people who get hit by E, illaoi is going to fish for carry hooks more than melee hooks late game

buff b punishes champs with displacements, of which many ranged champs have

LostFr0st1 votes

She only gets carry hooks at gold and below, sometimes in plat judging from her WR by elo.

You need a buffs like they did to Yi and Garen. Something which buffs her up there but not down at the bottom.

If you find that, I'm betting they'd try implementing it in a heartbeat.

I will try to think of something overnight too. It's midnight over here and I'm a bit tired^^" I'll reply regardless of if I think of something tomorrow. I promise.

LostFr0st1 votes

K, I thought of something.

Reduce W range from 350 to 325, but make the cast paradigm like Fizz Q instead of Nasus Q.

The greater amount of stupid Ws in lower elo will balance out vs the faster action possibilities for higher elo Illaois which right now get their Ws cancelled by auto range interactions.

Critmaster Garen2 votes

there is just one single definite buff she needs.

stop making tentacles targetable from outside bushes. you want to make them visible, fine. (though i dont understand why gangplank doesnt get the same treatment.)

its dumb, its inconsistent with the other game mechanics. it favours ranged champions over melee champions who still have to walk up to them to take them out, visible or not.

Big Lincoln2 votes

that too, i forgot about that because i've just become accustomed to range retards getting to clear tents for free

PopcornBunni1 votes

The last character that needs buffs is Illaoi. She's one of the only characters that can 1v5 at the moment.

Big Lincoln2 votes

you have to severely misplay, or be massively outplayed, for a champion like Illaoi to 1v5

thesebber041 votes

%%%%% plz Illaoi

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