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is there a reason why spell vamp is so weak and life steal is so strong?

lolipopevelynn··4 votes·1,408 views

life steal is on a completely different level of sustain compared to spell vamp and it is one of the main reasons poke oriented champions are struggling right now. is there a reason why life steal cant be brought down to the same level as spell vamp? idk if you ever seen a triple or quadruple LS Draven , but his axes actually heals him for near double that of what summoner 7 him for. i wish i can say he is an "extreme" case, but he isnt. MasterYi Fiora Tryndamere Vayne and pretty much anyone with strong crits/steroids can heal insane amounts of HP back with there AAs.

why not have one, maybe 2 LS items and call it a day just like with spell vamp? do ranged carries and melee carries REALLY need that much sustain? there are so many AD items that give LS for no good reason really other than to just have life steal. i think BT and BoRK should be the "premier" life steal/sustain items, BT in particular. Everything else should be have LS reworked out of it.

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Worgenflorgen12 votes

Vladimir. Your answer is Vladimir.

LICENSED HOOKER3 votes

imagine a world were that happened

imagine Singed with item 3116 and an op item 3146 literately run circles around you draining your health.

Xonra1 votes

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Vladimir. Your answer is Vladimir.

Vladimir like he said, but also older Morgana .

She used to be like...auto and first ban back in the day before her passive was nerfed (and a few other things of course).

These two champs (Well older Morg more than current Morg) can take advantage of spellvamp, and make it nearly impossible to properly balance, especially Vladimir

AHeroNamedHawke3 votes

Because AP carries can spellvamp in an AoE from 1400 range

ADCs get single target from at max 700 range depending on the champ

AsphodelNext2 votes

AOE spellvamp is reduced to 1/3 what single target spellvamp is. If it gets to be a problem, they can nerf AOE spellvamp further while keeping single target spellvamp high.

Also, most mages using spellvamp don't have 1400 range. Mordekaiser Vladimir Cassiopeia are all relatively short range.

lolipopevelynn1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Charles Barklius,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=yg7eJhEc,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2015-09-14T23:33:43.632+0000)

Because AP carries can spellvamp in an AoE from 1400 range

ADCs get single target from at max 700 range depending on the champ

i mean why is that a problem when a champ like Draven can get his entire health pool back in 2 axe throws? just because its single target doesnt mean they should be able to heal stupid amounts back like that.

im not saying buff spell vamp btw, im mostly saying nerf LS because its a bigger problem than spell vamp right now. give LS the same treatment you gave spell vamp.

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Essentially, mages will have in-built sustain Swain Vladimir Fiddlesticks Ahri if Riot thinks that should be a strength of theirs. Their itemization already gives them potentially high baseline durability item 3157 item 3001 item 3116 item 3151 item 3027

I wouldn't want to live in a world where Ziggs can heal from 50% to 100% just ulting a wave. Would you?

AND tHEN THERE'S VLADIMIR

not a very valid reason.

Aatrox Fiora XinZhao LeeSin all have built in sustain aswell. people think Aatrox is weak, but he is one of the most toxic champs to lane vs you will ever encounter because of his sustain. harass him you say? buy a item 3072 , spam laugh, and ignore everything. this champ cant even be buffed because riot fucked up with how much sustain his kit gives. and ironically he was released during a time when riot was preaching how toxic lane sustain is and went on a genocide nerfing all champs with lane sustain, including DrMundo of all things.

Maximum Morde3 votes

Because Rito loves their ADC master race. Same reason they nerfed Thornmail and armor in general into the dirt.

Marthian2 votes

This statement is bullshit considering Mordekaiser was reworked to bot lane and became a living nightmare to lane against for mostly any ADCs (I've tried so hard to poke him down and he doesn't give a damn about poke. Even Mordekaiser going support is extremely hard to force out, and heaven forbid he ever gets dragon: He just shoves you out of lane completely.

Maximum Morde2 votes

{quoted}

This statement is bullshit considering Mordekaiser was reworked to bot lane and became a living nightmare to lane against for mostly any ADCs (I've tried so hard to poke him down and he doesn't give a damn about poke. Even Mordekaiser going support is extremely hard to force out, and heaven forbid he ever gets dragon: He just shoves you out of lane completely.

And? Mordekaiser was shoved into ADC role by RITO making him part of the master race. My statement is still valid.

Marthian1 votes

He's not an ADC in the typical sense: He's a fighter that's able to actually go bot lane and succeed. And way too well at that: He shoved out more viable carries than Vayne/Kalista ever did.

Predatore3 votes

think ziggs think minefield think mega inferno bomb

50000000000000003 votes

I mean, for spell vamp Ziggs would have to sacrifice CDR, Luden's proc, mpen, or some other valuable stat.

EndlessSorcerer2 votes

Vladimir Akali Mordekaiser Cassiopeia

KONO RUBICK DA2 votes

Vladimir Rumble Kennen

in season 2 spell vamp was viable, those champions ruined it because of ressourceless sustain

Only Play Darius1 votes

dont forget Akali Katarina

KONO RUBICK DA1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Jelly Mac,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=yg7eJhEc,comment-id=00080000,timestamp=2015-09-15T16:33:59.700+0000)

dont forget Akali Katarina

oh true, but katarina was shit until the end of s2 (she then got reworked) and spell vamp was already nerfed

Only Play Darius1 votes

Apparantly Kata's old ult didn't reduce spellvamp to 33% lol

KONO RUBICK DA1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Jelly Mac,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=yg7eJhEc,comment-id=0008000000000000,timestamp=2015-09-15T17:55:29.819+0000)

Apparantly Kata's old ult didn't reduce spellvamp to 33% lol

yea, because it was capped at 2 champions and was considered as single target

SirNewton121 votes

Well you can't spam your abilities as well as AAs so of course you would get back more health from AAs.

qetzel1 votes
  1. AOE. A lot of spells are AOE. It is hard to keep the healing in line without it feeling useless.
  2. Burst. If spell vamp is good a Veigar ultimate (many ultimates) could almost fully heal a champion. This is... not really balanceable. Made worse by AOE.
  3. Like 2, it is also not really a good idea to mix burst with sustain. You can't kill them before they kill you because they will be healing off you.
  4. Champions with health cost/inherent sustain could cause issues if spell vamp is good.
Crett1 votes

Essentially, mages will have in-built sustain Swain Vladimir Fiddlesticks Ahri if Riot thinks that should be a strength of theirs. Their itemization already gives them potentially high baseline durability item 3157 item 3001 item 3116 item 3151 item 3027

I wouldn't want to live in a world where Ziggs can heal from 50% to 100% just ulting a wave. Would you?

AND tHEN THERE'S VLADIMIR

Linna Excel1 votes
  1. Most spells cost mana, it'll always be weaker and less readily available.
  2. AoE weakens it.
  3. AP champs with big burst amounts could heal up too well if spell vamp was strong.
  4. Most spells don't have crits. I think those that do are AoE spells.
  5. AS+Crits > cdr.
  6. AAing doesn't make most champs run out of mana.
  7. Riot hates spell vamp
  8. If it was good Katarina would be OP.
Twiggles1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Linna Excel,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=yg7eJhEc,comment-id=0009,timestamp=2015-09-15T05:45:21.761+0000)

Most spells don't have crits. I think those that do are AoE spells.

Anivia would like a word with you. :3

Axests1 votes

if spellvamp was strong then poke champions such as ziggs would just continue poking and disadvantage shot ranges even more then they already are when faced with the poke. Plus both lifesteal and spellvamp can be countered by morellos and ignite, so neither are a real problem, and if someone stacks 4 lifesteal items chances are they die anyway because they don't have the damage to kill their targets.

Lugg1 votes

Since the huge nerf to Thornmail, life steal definitely needs to be nerfed down. It's not much fun when an ADC can lifesteal faster than you can damage them.

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