The state of magic penetration

Ultîma··4 votes·893 views

The assassin class rework is here. And it has benefited AD assassins a LOT more than their AP counterparts.

For reference, here are now all the items you can buy to acquire armour penetration, or Lethality;

item 3147 item 3814 item 3036 item 3033 item 3071

Each of those items have their situational niche, which gives AD assassins a plethora of options when they need to pierce someone's armor and look for different types of utilities. Nevermind the fact that the AD item pool also has other great items like Maw, Scimitar, Bloodthirster, etc.

Meanwhile on the AP side...

item 3151 item 3135 item 3020

That's it. Three items. One of which is so weak it can't really be used on mages that don't have good DoT or spammable abilities. How are mages, and especially assassins, even supposed to deal with anything now? Magic resist options have increased with the inclusion of item 3814 , so in exchange magic penetration gets shafted even more? This is beyond unfair, and feels especially terrible for the new Kat and Leblanc, who both need Mpen in order to blow up their target. If Magic Penetration left a lot to be desired before, it is now outright terrible.

[zombie-brand-clap]

11 Comments

Penns2 votes

One thing I really dont like about playing AP assassins is: Top laner builds Hexdrinker, let alone Maw? Cant kill him anymore. Jungler does the same or is a tank anyway? Cant kill him. Enemy mid laner builds Abyssal, Hexdrinker/Maw, Edge of Night or even Zhonyas? Cant kill him anymore. Adc goes Hexdrinker? Cant kill him anymore unless fed hard. And in case you still can kill someone, support builds item 3190 item 3107 item 3109 ...? Well, now you cant lol

AHarmlessTaco1 votes

It is harder to balance because squishies dont have innate MR per level, and even MR per level caps at ~50. item 3001 did get a pretty decent change though considering it now scales better with item 3135 Its not a lot but it was something. It's just hard to justify when people have 30 MR for so long often times.

raishinari1 votes

all the champs get much lower mr per level than they get armor per level. so it is normal that ad heroes get more options.

also lethality is a huge nerf to armor pen. because it just don't get 100% efficient till level 18. so ad assassins are trash now.

you build randuin or zhonya, then ad assassins can't assassinate you.

while void staff gets more efficient the more mr the target buys.

Zetto1 votes

Actually lethality evens out a bit regarding effectiveness around....lvl 8 I think?

raishinari1 votes

no, it is a flat out huge nerf. the moment the enemy builds only 1 armor item, it is over. Talon can't kill him before he kills Talon.

48983507DEL11 votes

Except that Lethality is a Unique Passive, meaning you can only buy one of those items. So yes, you have more choices, but unlike mages you actually have to choose which item you want. The most Lethality you can get (without runes) is 20, while you can get up to 30 Magic Penetration (without runes).

Zetto4 votes

Actually no, lethality isn't a unique name passive. So long as the items are different you can still stack lethality. If they had in fact made it so that you couldn't stack lethality than tanks would rejoice and assassins/some adcs would have been totally, utterly, shafted.

Drakylon1 votes

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Except that Lethality is a Unique Passive, meaning you can only buy one of those items. So yes, you have more choices, but unlike mages you actually have to choose which item you want. The most Lethality you can get (without runes) is 20, while you can get up to 30 Magic Penetration (without runes).

Lethality is a highlightable game keyword (like Airborne) representing a stat, not a UNIQUE Passive.

Also, with the current Lethality numbers, on a 15 Lethality item you get 6 of that instantly, and the other 9 at a rate of .5 per enemy level. Old Armor Penetration was +10 for most items, so you break even when the enemy is level 8, and Lethality becomes superior after that. Ghostblade and Serrated Dirk are the only items whose Armor Penetration simply got flat out nerfed; from 20 or 10 ArPen to 20 or 10 Lethality, respectively. That got traded for out-of-combat mobility, another thing AP assassins are sorely lacking.

MunchCrunchLunch1 votes

except that at most a champion had 53 MR and most champs have just 31 MR. with runes masteries and penetration items you can do true damage to everyone that doesn't build MR.

RexSaur1 votes

???

Lethality is garbage, arpen as a stat is dead other than the LW's to counter armor stacking/hp stacking tanks.

Mpen is much, much better than arpen right now.

ForgiveColour1 votes

Yeah I never see any mages in competitve and high elo stream because of this owait

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