At least lee sin's impact falls off past 20 minutes, and he is vulnerable to cc after he tries to ward hop, also his q can be blocked by the frontline. Meanwhile hecarim rams into you at mach 2 removing 75% of your hp in 1 combo while avoiding all skillshots. Vi just presses r on you and becomes immune to cc during her ult.
warpenguin55515 votes^ Atleast Lee can mess up when he ganks. The only time I see Vi mess up is when I play her and I have a habit of throwing games on her
invisiblecat18 votesif you still think Lee Sin actually falls of at 20 minutes then you need to play him more if you build tank he becomes annoying to kill with good damage and cc If you build full AD then you can literally Q R Q E someone for an instant kill The only build that really falls off is start AD and build tank
Arsenic Sulfur6 votesBut his late game is always undoubtedly weaker than his early. He falls off, just not off the face of the planet like Pantheon.
dakota saturn7 votesVi tends to attract players who are "OH I SEE SOMEONE OH OK BETTER PRESS BUTTONS IMMEDAITELY OH ITS A TANK K OOPS I DED LAWL WHY WERENT YOU HELPING ME" "?" "?" "?" PING PING PING PING PING PING
NiceTryVi2 votesI see you have been playing Vi then
NiceTryVi4 votesHecarim was strong for a while, he is the product of Riot being completely unable to balance things. Vi's ult cannot be canceled by you, but it also cannot be canceled by her. So if you have an ounce of brains, you don't go off alone when there is an enemy Vi, and if she does ult you, your team focuses her and she pops fast. If you are near a tower and she ults you, get under tower and she is forced to follow. I don't know why people are suddenly bitching about Vi when she has been doing the same exact things since she was released. Her kit and her weaknesses are not a secret. The only reason she is considered strong right now is because Riot made the stupid idea of introducing CoC.
Aimléss1 votesYou probably don't play adc, I've seen Vi's flash ult combo adcs in teamfights and decimate them before there teammates can do anything about it. Don't give me that counter play BS, all of this targetted damage and cc shit is what's ruining the adc role in the first place. All of these targetted ults, like Vi, Malzahar, Syndra, they need counter-play. Maybe a charge time like Morgana's ult. Maybe not as long but still.
NiceTryVi1 votesOk, so you are a bad ADC. Vi's ult only does at max rank, about 7-800 damage, max. With the reduction from only 50 armor, this brings the total damage down to 550 or so damage, again at max rank and with the standard build. This means that at the same time, the ADC probably has 1500-2k hp, easy. So you are only losing 1/3 to 1/4 of your hp to her ultimate. At which point, you team turns on her because she is now in the middle of them and they pop her easily. If you are not good and have itemized poorly, and not know how to kite away/use flash/heal right, then yeah, Vi can kill you with a rotation. But here is the thing. Vi is a diver, that is what she is supposed to do. And even if she does kill the ADC, she is guaranteed dead if her team doesn't follow up perfectly, and even if they do, she is probably out of the fight. You ADC mains are so butthurt about not being able to absolutely destroy people anymore, you look for any excuse to be made overpowered again, and I am not having it. There is counterplay, you just have to be smart enough to use it. The counterplay to Syndra is to buy an MR item like edge of night or Maw, Malzahar is the same, or a QSS, and to Vi it is not to go alone. Are there any more champions you need me to explain for you? Maybe you dont know this, but you shouldn't go near an Annie with her stun up, or towerdive a Shen, either. There are champions/roles specifically designed to counter other champions/roles. It is a circle, and that is why teams are not picked blind in ranked.
Aimléss1 votesYou are so condescending and ignorant. Obviously she isn't killing an adc with her ult alone moron. And no adc ever gets to 2k hp unless they build an hp item. Targeted CC is just unhealthy and its bullshit. Don't sit here and lie to me as if you've never seen a Vii one shot an adc. You just probably don't wanna see your precious vii get nerfed. I'm fucking gold don't need your little tutorial. Go do something better with your time.
NiceTryVi1 votesLol, you call me ignorant, and then claim that no ADC gets to 2k w/o an HP item. I am condescending because you go off spouting your "knowledge" that would be funny if you weren't serious. You realize that pretty much every ADC has about 1900-2k hp at lvl 18? I am not lying to you, I have never seen a Vi oneshot an ADC, and I have literally hundreds of games as Vi. Its hilarious how you came back to a 5 day old comment just to salt more about how i should do something better with MY time, with wrong information, because you don't like that fact that a diver is doing her job. Just because you are bad at ADC doesn't make it Vi's fault. Maybe learn positioning and don't go off without your team. You just want the days of Marksman supremacy back because you don't like having to actually work for wins. Marksman are where they should be, dealing out constant damage, while their tanks peel for them and their mages pick off targets they have DPSed down.
Cowseed4 votesNice shitpost, bruh.
Ulquiorra9952 votesVi and Hecarim at least come and go. Wait a patch or two and they'll be back in line. Meanwhile Lee gets buffed because "he does not see enough play" the moment his playrate drops below 30% or he isn't a top pick in a single esports event.
Arya Riven1 votesSame. Lee is far easier to counterplay and does less damage while being easier to kill.
MLDzXnRRR1 votesJust because it's rare to see a good Lee (or Lee that get's fed early and doesn't throw his lead). Against a good Lee you can just sit in the fountain unless you are playing something that needs a hotfix nerfs. Luckily, there aren't that many good Lees. It's similar to Pantheon and Renekton when they were overpowered years ago, I've personally stomped people with these characters - taking an inhib at minute 10 with Pantheon in season 4 when the games were like 40 minutes long...
Moortin1 votesThat's why you ban all the jumper type of jungler
SweedishGunner1 votesEveryone seems to ignore that Hecarim needs a lot of farm to be relevant. He's definitely worse early than Lee.
Sraeg20131 votesBut then you meet a good Lee who ganks twice ever 30 seconds while powerfarming in the jungle and realize his impact past 20 doesn't matter, because you aren't going to play that long.
Cabalist1 votesYea, and is worse because Rito also nerfed his r which makes his late game crap as well as forcing many to go tank Lee in order to maintain usefulness
KoKoboto1 votesI wouldn't, I'd rather go up against Vi and Hecarim because I feel like I'm dealing with less bullshit
DemoGuide1 votesI would rather deal with Vi than with lee. Her kit is s telegraphed and easy countered. Lee sin is a tricky bastard, which closes the gap almost instantly. Early game he is a much bigger threat than late game, but he is annoying on every stage of the game.
Not sure about Hecarim though. Can't think of a good way of countering him, i believe he just needs to be nerfed.
