Is there really something wrong with going AD Bard top?

Jefftiffy··9 votes·4,504 views

He scales actually better with AD because he will naturally become hybrid and you can build relatively tanky and still do damage. He has range and doesn't have to play passive all game due to being outranged.

In fact, I find it sad that bard is excelling solo over duo because his team potential is kind of meh. He does really well in 1v1s especially when he starts to be able to store 2+ meeps.

First item tends to be trinity then tank from there and maybe a BotRK near the end.

Also, I want to note how toxic people get about this. It's like so bad that they refuse to play the game (I mean jungler starts to refuse to gank even with a lane shoved to your tower and a free stun and infinite chase should be a free kill), and they even feed and then you start to die and yell at you saying you are the feeder when you have a 10/1 lane hunting you down. Then the entire team turns on you because you are off meta.

In fact I have several times abandoned top after losing it snowballed another lane then returned top to farm just to have the same people I fed complain. Even though I have more than a 2.0 KDA.

27 Comments

IcyPepper14 votes

Why the hell not? Do whatever you want, don't let the sheeps tie you down.

colesy3 votes

sure, in normals. stay far, far away from ranked with your troll pick though.

IcyPepper8 votes

Hey now, not all troll picks are bad. As long as you got enough games to prove it can be a thing... after all, the meta exists for a reason.

Though it does get annoying when you get kicked in team builder for trying something new. People are such tryhards sometimes...

ModAcademy Kayn2 votes

I got beat by an AP tryn once in ranked 0_0

Meep Man3 votes

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I got beat by an AP tryn once in ranked 0_0

Them heals.

Awoof1 votes

Hey, AP Tryn got nerfed after pros played it. Remember kids, it's not troll if you saw a pro playing it. But totally if they didn't.

Chaotic Reks5 votes

FULL AP LEE SONG SUPPORT WITH CLARITY TO CARRY ME TO CHALLENJOUR!!!

IcyPepper1 votes

As long as you know what you're doing!

Though taking clarity as Lee Song support isn't bad if you have a caster adc. A quick 40% mana heal can let your adc go ham early to gain an early advantage...

Chaotic Reks1 votes

doesn't help that the mana regen nerfs make lee song almost unplayable.

khorney1 votes

It's only troll if u get raped .

Truly Prideful4 votes

I would say his biggest issue in a solo is having poor waveclear. If you go up against someone who actually understands that, they'll shove you straight into your turret all day. This would have the unfortunate side effect of stopping you from grabbing chimes so you'll scale more slowly than you'd like. It would have to be into a match up with weak waveclear to work well in my opinion.

Cloud2731 votes

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I would say his biggest issue in a solo is having poor waveclear. If you go up against someone who actually understands that, they'll shove you straight into your turret all day. This would have the unfortunate side effect of stopping you from grabbing chimes so you'll scale more slowly than you'd like. It would have to be into a match up with weak waveclear to work well in my opinion.

If a champion has poor waveclear, that champion is garbage. Damage to minions translates to damage to champions. Also, if you can't shove the lane, you can't pressure other lanes. Just another champion who's going to be afk farming all game.

Narasimha3 votes

So according to you, Leblanc, Fizz, Fiora, Nasus, and Gnar are pretty much all garbage champs?

Cloud2731 votes

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So according to you, Leblanc, Fizz, Fiora, Nasus, and Gnar are pretty much all garbage champs?

Leblanc, Fizz, and Fiora don't have bad clear times. All Fiora needs is tiamat and she can shove the lane all day. Leblanc has her combo, and fizz has trickster. Nasus and Gnar I'll give you, since nasus only has spirit flame and gnar can only clear effectively in mega form.

BluePolarizer2 votes

If you have the opportunity to use Trickster as waveclear you are playing Fizz in the wrong elo. A good lane opponent will be denying you and zoning you too hard to even think about using Trickster as waveclear (along with threat of jungler ganks early). Against a bad lane opponent, wtf are you farming minions for, farm champs.

Awoof4 votes

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Damage to minions translates to damage to champions.

Vayne Well fuck me.

Cerbearus4 votes

Don't care about him going top, just the thought of Bard in general makes me shudder when he's on my team...

soh1gh22 votes

sounds fun tbh but maybe stick to norms

Cindikle1 votes

Wouldn't really say there is something wroth with it. It's like taking Lulu top IMO. Lots of utility with some decent damage. But I wouldn't say he's as good as Lulu in the same roll.

soh1gh21 votes

try bard adc pretty fun

Hellioning1 votes

How? When you roam to collect chimes, you'd have to get your jungler or the support to cover your lane, or your opponent will take it as an excuse to eat your tower alive.

delonix1 votes

The problem with going AD Bard top is that the chimes mechanic will stop you from snowballing, and will help your opponent snowball. Let's look at these two scenarios.

  1. Your jungler is awesome and ganks early, and then ganks again, getting you two kills on your lane opponent. You're ahead in farm, you have your summoner spells, life is good. If you were any other top laners, you would sit top and farm up while denying farm to your opponent or just killing them when they try to cs. As Bard, you need to roam to get your chimes. This might let you start snowballing other lanes or it might take you on a magical journey through the jungle that doesn't really take you anywhere useful. Either way, your top lane opponent gets to free farm, push your turret, and gets back into the game. Eventually, your lane opponent can duel you and win. You might bring more to teamfights, depending on how well you use your ult and who your lane opponent is, but without help, the other team will probably always have more turrets in the top lane.

  2. Your jungler wants to focus on getting bot ahead to secure early dragons, so you get no ganks. The enemy jungler ganks you, or your lane opponent is just a strong duelist levels 1-3 (as many popular top laners are) and you die solo while trying to farm because you have 1 meep that doesn't even slow yet. Your opponent gets an early Tiamat and is clearing waves like crazy while you struggle to last hit under your turret. If you roam, you're giving up a free turret and lots of farm. If you don't roam, you'll never hit meep breakpoints and you'll continue to lose lane. Eventually your opponent is so far ahead in cs, kills, and levels that you can't contribute as much to teamfights, even if you land the perfect ult and they're splitpushing.

Obviously, these are two extremes and a lot will depend on your individual skill (in mechanics and decision-making) and on your ability to communicate and the skills of the other players in the game. This all being said, if you enjoy playing AD Bard top, keep practicing and go for it. Even if you play something that's in the meta you won't win every game. Playing AD Bard top just gives people something to blame so they don't have to think about the mistakes they made during the game.

khorney1 votes

Lol I hate when people do that . like come on try and win . I go top Taric and people complain then when I smash the Enemy melee or are pushed under turret with free kills and jungker doesn't come

The Bíg Ticket1 votes

You will just get pushed to your turret where its hard for you to cs. On top of that you have no pressure top and will never be able to fight anyone.

Krigjer1 votes

Bard with 70 chimes is when his autos truly start to hit hard. I build Maw and Frozen Gauntlet because it encourages me to keep autoing even when my meeps are down.

That said, I don't think Bard is as strong in a solo lane, purely because of the power he gets the more chimes he collects. Then again, more chimes spawn in the mid game and once a tower is down and you have the freedom to roam anyway..

I dunno. I'd maybe play him jungle one day, and I love playing him support. Personally, I wouldn't want to solo lane.

Snow Taradien1 votes

Blue Bard is pretty damn good on top. Bard with a item 3003 item 3091 and item 3004 is absolutely terrifying because his damage is surreal for such a mobile champ. Getting item 3025 , item 3156 and item 3110 is definitely a good way to go. item 3085 doesn't hurt and neither does item 3135

Snake Town1 votes

If you don't feed play whatever you want, the meta's just there for guidelines.

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