Tanks shouldn’t do damage.

The thigh guy·Dec 16, 2018·8 votes·2,191 views

Read the title. Because it’s pretty fucking important.

40 Comments

RalanrDec 16, 20189 votes

If tanks didn't do damage, they couldn't top, they couldn't jungle, they couldn't farm, they couldn't trade, etc.

The thigh guyDec 16, 20184 votes

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If tanks didn't do damage, they couldn't top, they couldn't jungle, they couldn't farm, they couldn't trade, etc.

Let me rephrase that. A tank shouldn’t be topping damage charts.

A tank should not be dealing more damage than another role, outside of maybe enchanter supports.

You should not be unkillable while having insane sustained and survivability.

RalanrDec 16, 20185 votes

[{quoted}](name=The thigh guy,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=yaWOnuVw,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2018-12-16T03:49:01.347+0000)

Let me rephrase that. A tank shouldn’t be topping damage charts.

If you mean in after game stats, well that's not because a tank is doing a super amount of damage. It's because AoE damage stacks, and AoE damage that doesn't kill someone quickly REALLY stacks.

InfernapeDec 16, 20183 votes

Let me rephrase that. A tank shouldn’t be topping damage charts.

Tanks mainly deal AoE damage. A lot of tanks build Sunfire or Cinderhulk. Persistent AoE damage heavily skews damage numbers.

I had a game a long ass time ago where I outdamaged everyone as a full tank Nautilus with Sunfire because I was in the middle of everyone with Sunfire active and Abyssal Mask.

If you hit 5 champions for 50 damage every second, you'll be doing "more" damage than someone that hits one champion for 200 damage.

AlienPrimateDec 16, 20182 votes

Let's look at this.

Maokai vs Garen top: Maokai does 500 damage to Garen, Garen heals up 3/4l, Maokai does 500 damage to Garen, Garen heals back up to 1/2, Maokai does 500 damage and finally kills Garen.

Zed vs Leblanc: Zed presses R and kills Leblanc from full hp with a total of 900 damage dealt.

Maokai did 1500 damage and Zed did 900 damage. Surely Maokai does more damage.....

TheSingularityDec 16, 20181 votes

Just quickly. Which champs do you have a problem with here? As in most cases individuals complain about tanks, then list 5 non tanks

MrFawknSunshineDec 16, 20181 votes

which tank is topping damage charts?

Irelia BotDec 16, 20183 votes

They should be more about CC and debuffs than Damage.

InfernapeDec 16, 20183 votes

Too bad most things need damage to function in League outside of enchanters.

If all tanks weren't laners and were duo lane supports, that could work but because some of them work in the jungle or in solo lanes, they need the damage.

ParoeDec 16, 20184 votes

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Too bad most things need damage to function in League outside of enchanters.

If all tanks weren't laners and were duo lane supports, that could work but because some of them work in the jungle or in solo lanes, they need the damage.

At the very least tanks needs to waveclear.

But i think people who whine dont understand bruiser =/= tank, and that if a tank sticks to you for 10 seconds and goes through three rotations... You should be dead.

Irelia BotDec 16, 20182 votes

But in the end tanks are rarely building tanky these days.

Malphite, and J4 as examples often build full damage and presses RQWE and any non tank is dead or almost dead. You can't even build BV on an AD champ anymore to block their ult's damage which was one reason why builds like AP malphite use be uncommon.

RalanrDec 16, 20183 votes

So it’s not ok for a tank to hurt if they build to hurt more?

ParoeDec 16, 20181 votes

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So it’s not ok for a tank to hurt if they build to hurt more?

J4 also has really high AD ratios and high base damage; he is much more so a bruiser than a tank. Malphite is easy to counter with a Maw or any MR really, since AP itemization doesnt have much armor.

Slythrin UmbreonDec 16, 20181 votes

No, but it's not ok for them to feel so awful when building tank that most people opt out of playing them at all, and when they are played they're usually building damage.

TheSingularityDec 16, 20181 votes

I disagree. I play naut in the jg all the time, full tank. And he's F- tier and I still wreck

Slythrin UmbreonDec 16, 20181 votes

"Most people" "One person"

Man, I was so wrong.

TheSingularityDec 16, 20181 votes

Those "most people" play a tank once, try to play them like a diver/juggernaut then start sooking and crying because they can't solo carry. If tanks do the job they're meant to, that won't change because that job isn't damage.

Slythrin UmbreonDec 16, 20181 votes

It's not supposed to be anyway. Riot's trying.

Der LindwurmDec 16, 20184 votes

Try telling that to some old war veteran who faced German Panthers and Tigers.

Tanks should be feared for both their defensive and offensive capabilities. It's silly to call them tanks if not. The trouble with tanks ought to be that it's pretty easy to see them coming and predict what they'll do.

SwiftKitten88Dec 16, 20181 votes

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Try telling that to some old war veteran who faced German Panthers and Tigers.

Tanks should be feared for both their defensive and offensive capabilities. It's silly to call them tanks if not. The trouble with tanks ought to be that it's pretty easy to see them coming and predict what they'll do.

all that really means is that "tank" refers to thier durability and has no aspect on how much damage they can deal.

i mean hell some deulitonal people say " DrMundo isn't a "Tank" disspite the fact he is the TANKIEST CHAMPION IN THE GAME. becuase of how stupid thier classification system is.

if u can absorb damage... your a tank...

idc if your a Twitch with a item 3812 item 3046 item 3080 item 3026 item 3231 item 3085

( and yeah thats a horrible build, i know its jus6 an example, my point is.. he wouldn't freaking die)

if u have enough burst damage reduction... survivability , that u can survive an entire kit thrown at you.. your a "tank"

your CHAMPSION my not be classified as a "Tank" normally but that donest mean your not "tanky" and you arn't a "tank"

there isnt a single game i have played ever were a a "tank" has no access to damage if they wanted it

RalanrDec 16, 20185 votes

Tanky == Tank. Idk why I have to keep explaining this. Mundo has no way to lock people down or engage for his team beyond walking quickly.

InfernapeDec 16, 20181 votes

In their defense though, Mundo does build full tank. He's as tanky as an actual tank but deals a fuckton more damage than them.

ParoeDec 16, 20182 votes

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In their defense though, Mundo does build full tank. He's as tanky as an actual tank but deals a fuckton more damage than them.

Thats because mundo deals high %CurrentHP damage on his Q and has an AD steroid based on health for his E. Mundo is a juggernaut, he does what hes meant to do.

InfernapeDec 16, 20181 votes

And the whole notion of building full tank and dealing a lot of reliable damage should not be a thing.

Volibear suffers from the same problem. It's just pure statchecking.

Take Darius for example, he cannot build full tank as he'd deal no damage unless he primes his passive.

ParoeDec 16, 20182 votes

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And the whole notion of building full tank and dealing a lot of reliable damage should not be a thing.

Volibear suffers from the same problem. It's just pure statchecking.

Take Darius for example, he cannot build full tank as he'd deal no damage unless he primes his passive.

Mundo doesnt have reliable damage though, and the point of juggernauts is to BE threats that are easily kited. Its not stat checking, its not being fragging alone against a champion with no offensive scaling.

Darius, by your definition, DOES build full tank because he builds item 3748 item 3071 ...

InfernapeDec 16, 20181 votes

Most of Mundo's damage comes from his E steroid and Grasp. His damage is mostly AAs and his Q. AAs are reliable damage.

NemeBroDec 16, 20184 votes

[{quoted}](name=The thigh guy,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=yaWOnuVw,comment-id=,timestamp=2018-12-16T03:44:36.486+0000)

Read the title. Because it’s pretty fucking important.

https://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/2933080618/223291330?tab=stats

Mundo isn't a tank.

If Mundo couldn't do damage, what would he do? His CC is very minor. If he did very low damage he would be easily ignored. And if you can ignore him, who cares how much damage he can take? If he isn't doing anything he's worthless.

Some tanky champions force you to factor them through high-impact crowd control and utility that can decide a team fight, like your average support tank or a Sejuani.

Some force you to factor them through their ability to kill your carry if they aren't peeled or killed, like Dr. Mundo or Olaf.

And some like Darius are able to deliver heavy damage to the entire team and can potentially end a team fight with a chain of kills.

The latter two categories need to have damage. They have little else.

ParoeDec 16, 20183 votes

Is the OP complaining about tanks - Braum, Leona, Alistar, Taric - or is he complaining about bruisers and juggernauts? Because bruisers and juggernauts like Darius, Illaoi, Mundo, and Volibear are NOT tanks.

vgamedudeDec 16, 20182 votes

Tanks are literally trash can tier now and people still cry about them. Yikes

FOR JUSTICEDec 16, 20181 votes

depends on which ones though, right now leona, alistar, blitzcrank, and thresh are making a killing in korea. although hes not a true tank, urgot is making a pretty big splash too. sion and galio aren't half bad either.

MrFawknSunshineDec 16, 20181 votes

only two of those are tanks

ali and leona

thresh isnt a tank , neither is blitz

FOR JUSTICEDec 16, 20181 votes

still eaves sion and galio

MrFawknSunshineDec 16, 20181 votes

galio is being turned into a battle mage with the latest changes , rewarding you for getting AP and still isnt meta

SION is . he is the only viable tank in a top .

so 1? out of how many champs?

oh and things like conqueror, ignite and IE crit adcs /vayne coming back ( being buffed ) will make him less effective

WilyumDec 16, 20182 votes

Tanks have to deal damage because like it or not they get one-shot too. A tank getting one-shot but dealing no damage makes them useless so they must deal damage. I know not all tanks get one-shot, I know not all tanks deal high damage. I just can't think of any tanks who deal unreasonable amounts of damage and have an unreasonable amount of survivability as well.

chipndip1Dec 16, 20181 votes

In other words: "I hate it when I have to actually win the early game against someone with fingers rather than someone that can't move."

The thigh guyDec 16, 20181 votes

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In other words: "I hate it when I have to actually win the early game against someone with fingers rather than someone that can't move."

That makes no sense at all. -.- tanks should be doing the least damage/second least damage in the game. Yet they are dealing more than everyone else because riot is forcing damage down everything’s throats.

ZephyrDrakeDec 17, 20182 votes

[{quoted}](name=The thigh guy,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=yaWOnuVw,comment-id=00060000,timestamp=2018-12-16T23:22:27.250+0000)

That makes no sense at all. -.- tanks should be doing the least damage/second least damage in the game. Yet they are dealing more than everyone else because riot is forcing damage down everything’s throats.

Or because you have no idea how to read stats at all. Tanks barely do any damage. They do consistent AoE damage, that while small it stacks. A tank isn't going to kill you unless he is super fed or you decided to eat through their entire rotation multiple times. It's also why poke champions or DOT champions have such high damae dealt numbers yet they once again don't do that much. Burst damage isn't the same as small consistent AoE damage

chipndip1Dec 17, 20181 votes

[{quoted}](name=The thigh guy,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=yaWOnuVw,comment-id=00060000,timestamp=2018-12-16T23:22:27.250+0000)

That makes no sense at all. -.- tanks should be doing the least damage/second least damage in the game. Yet they are dealing more than everyone else because riot is forcing damage down everything’s throats.

Who said? Why should tank players deal absolute shit damage? How else are they going to stop you from targeting their team unless they're loaded out the ass with cc (which we clearly see is causing a massive delta between pro and solo queue play at this point)?

SamsungerDec 16, 20181 votes

I agree tanks should not do damage, they are meant to absorb damage and do aoe and provide crowd control in a team fight. Prime examples are Rammus and Amumu . They do more damage than me while also taking NO damage and its So tilting. Nerf tanks. Make their cooldowns longer, so I still have potential to 1v1 them as a fed assassin. Why do they CC and still do shit tons of damage why is Nautilus mid a thing?? Why does he beat me in lane as an Ekko, its so frustrating.