Can we talk about Zyra's Plants?

5050BS·Mar 2, 2018·4 votes·2,290 views

So the "HP" Change they did to her plants was literally changing a 4 for two 2's

They live longer yes if left alone. But as soon as anyone looks at them they die.

Plants are a huge part of Zyra's damage and play and yet most champs can delete them with one attack.

Take Talons Q, One cast two hits kills all plants hit. Ekkos Q, One cast two hits kills all plants hit. Azir's Soldiers are a AOE and yet count as a AA so kill all plants hit in once attack. Zeds Q when cast with Shadow kill all plants hit.

The list goes on and on.

Now that we can see that most champs can remove plants with no effort lets talk about her Ulted plants.

Oh they die just as fast and in team fights even faster.

Her Ulted plants are USLESS in a team fight.

And yet turrets have over 1000 hps....

6 Comments

greekvandaLMar 2, 20184 votes

Maybe if she wasnt a toxic uninteractive little shit they could make em last longer and live longer. But watching two plants and an E pretty much do 50% of a lvl 3 adc/support isnt proactive gameplay. You are lucky this toxic champ is left alive ever since they made her plat dependant at least pre reworks Zyra was a caster who didnt rely on plants

Dead flag bluesMar 2, 20183 votes

Zyra is just cancer to fight if you don't have attack speed or DoT. Having to use 3 aa to kill a plant, while she hits you for twice the amount you did to it is really grating. Her plants need a complete rework imo, they're either garbage, or purely cancer to fight.

Does it remind you of anyone else ? Malzahar support with summoner 3 and 100-0 you at level 2 with E+W ?.. I wonder why they had in common

5050BSMar 2, 20182 votes

You DO know that one melee or two ranged attacks kills them out right. Or one targeted spell.

Here is the break down.

-Plant health 8 -Ranged champion basic attack damage to plants 4 -Melee champion basic attack damage to plants 8 -Spell AOE damage to plants 4 -Periodic damage to plants 1 -Large minion/monster damage to plants 2

SamBunzlyMar 2, 20182 votes

Yes, they can be taken out by some champions and a single ability that deals damage 2 times. However, think of the damage that champion loses out on while using that ability just for the plants. They either lose a huge chunk of damage, or they lose the ability to escape punishment.

The bonus to using them in team fights is that there are usually 3-6 plants up at any given time. Even if all of the enemy team attacks a different plant, that's precious time they could be damaging you or your allies instead, meaning you either get free damage on them from the plants, or from attacking them yourself. Ulting shouldn't be used for the plants, it should be used for the enemy team, though catching a few seeds in there as well usually grants some extra damage with the knock up, and with any form of on-hit effects ( item 3116 item 3151 ) you get some bonus stuff. Also, just wanna mention that Azir's soldiers are not AOE. It's essentially an extended auto attack that pierces targets up to a limit. It's targeted. Meaning that the one-hit kill is valid.

~~Also Heimerdinger's been nerfed to hell and back but ok~~

5050BSMar 2, 20181 votes

.... Team fights are 5 v 5 or 4 v 5. Atleast two of them have AOE on low CD or even high CD.

Spell AOE damage to plants 4.

And thats not even counting Champs like Yasuo and Azir who have AOE that count as Melee Auto attacks and kill them in one hit.

You dont play Zyra I see....

SamBunzlyMar 6, 20181 votes

I haven't played the game since December 2017. I doubt I'm qualified to speak about how it feels in game, but on paper, everything sounds spot on.

As for the complaints about AOE, they either have the choice to waste it on the plants, or target you with them and hope the plants get hit as well. Either way, it's a win-win, as her damage isn't largely reliant on her plants as Heimy is with his turrets.