Tons of Game play discussion in the thread ABOUT a game play topic.
Some Moderator deletes it saying it did not fit the Gameplay forum.
We need more ways to have Yummi off of her target. Be that knocking her off or giving her reasons to want to get off her target.
Linna Excel32 votesIsn't yuumi attaching to a target a gameplay mechanic? Yuumi-garen screamed Demancia at my pick'ems and blew them up. I think that's a gameplay issue when a high damage squishy champ gets infinite safety.
5050BS18 votesThese was even really good suggestions too.
Best one IMO was flip her passive and her E. Make it so her E is a shield with small speed boost and to actually heal she has to jump off and auto then jump on.
Death by Glamour3 votestbh that sounds clunky as hell.
why not grounding effects knock her off her target
Linna Excel2 votesThis would be good. Grounding effects knocking her off would at least give a few champs an option to interact with her.
5050BS5 votesSo who could do that? I know of only one champ wtih grounding 
Jennifer1725 voteswasnt riot, was most likely the fast decrease in mod quality. lately they start to do what i always praised them for not doing. turning into the mod nazis that are known as lol reddit mods
NoobDefault7 voteswasnt riot, was most likely the fast decrease in mod quality. lately they start to do what i always praised them for not doing. turning into the mod nazis that are known as lol reddit mods
Careful now. I once got suspended for using that exact same term. The mods just proved me right in the end.
Terozu23 votesThe mods are very inconsistent with threads like that. Sometimes they'll delete them and say they belong in C&C While other times they'll delete C&C posts and say they belong in gameplay.
I tend to find that just recreating the post and calling them on it is the best method.
50/50 they're mistaken, which is provable by copy pasting their own rules if need be.
ModWulf Helhammer23 votesPer your removal message:
This content has been removed as not being appropriate to the Gameplay sub-board. We expect posts here to be relevant to League of Legends and ##be generally constructive in nature. This would include builds, matchups, tactics and the like. ##Posts that are largely complaining should be directed to either RANT or General Discussion.
Emphasis added to the relevant parts.
While there may have been discussion happening in the comments, the main post itself did not meet those qualifications. You are welcome to either re-post your exact content in General Discussion, which does not have those requirements, or you can expand on your original post, and re-post to Gameplay.
RacoonHunter39 votes[{quoted}](name=Wilk Rycerz,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=g53JK9pg,comment-id=0008,timestamp=2019-11-15T20:19:44.554+0000)
Per your removal message: ##be generally constructive in nature. This would include builds, matchups, tactics and the like. ##Posts that are largely complaining should be directed to either RANT or General Discussion.
Emphasis added to the relevant parts.
While there may have been discussion happening in the comments, the main post itself did not meet those qualifications. You are welcome to either re-post your exact content in General Discussion, which does not have those requirements, or you can expand on your original post, and re-post to Gameplay.
Actually the post in question did have constructive elements in it. I guess you allow other moderators to post rants (see post about Clash and Dynamic que) but not others in a similar vein.
Ηuawei12 votesActually the post in question did have constructive elements in it. I guess you allow other moderators to post rants (see post about Clash and Dynamic que) but not others in a similar vein.
Mods change around every few months or so.
For example Academy Kayn is a player made moderator. I dont know whats the criteria to become a mod.
But apparently the moment people become mods they enforce their own personal agendas with impunity.
we havent met6 votesI remember when academy kayn blatantly attacked several boards members and shamed them based on rank. Honestly it's so depressing seeing people get all power hungry like that
Ýisus12 votesYou are trying to explain western concepts of freedom of speech to a chinese company. Its a losing battle.
ClaireRedfield56 votesI didn't agree with the post even down voted it because I thought it was an absurd idea. Even still people were coming up with good ideas about the topic and discussing GAMEPLAY RELATED TOPICS IN A CONSTRUCTIVE MANOR and I'd never want to see a discussion like that just be erased. This Nazi book burning behavior needs to stop....
Buck Strickland4 votesI didn't agree with the post even down voted it because I thought it was an absurd idea. Even still people were coming up with good ideas about the topic and discussing GAMEPLAY RELATED TOPICS IN A CONSTRUCTIVE MANOR and I'd never want to see a discussion like that just be erased. This Nazi book burning behavior needs to stop....
They only burned a few books compared to the communists. Call it commie book burning.
Anidan21 votesIt doesn't matter who burned more books, the point is that books were burned, knowledge was suppressed, writers, ideas, and discussion were censored, and the Nazis were the most infamous people to have done it.
Just like the case here with the Yuumi thread. I visited the Yuumi thread, thought some people had some interesting ideas even if I didn't agree with all of them and now it's gone despite people talking about the game in what was effectively a constructive manner. They were proposing ideas, and some people were proposing other ideas or why the previously proposed ideas may not work, like an actual discussion, and now it's gone. The reason given by the moderator isn't sufficient based on what I actually saw going on over there, and if it was removed because of a couple people having an argument then you might as well close the entire forums.
TehNACHO9 votesThe threshold on Godwin's Law has become increasingly shorter over the years.
CaptainAntiHeroz4 votesThe threshold on Godwin's Law has become increasingly shorter over the years.
lol how even bruh?
TehNACHO2 votesIt was a joke post so I hope you don't expect a serious answer.
But like, straight up, 2 posts into this thread and we have a Moderator accused of Nazi book burning.
CaptainAntiHeroz3 votesIt was a joke post so I hope you don't expect a serious answer.
But like, straight up, 2 posts into this thread and we have a Moderator accused of Nazi book burning.
that might be a bit of an extreme exaggeration but the hate of the moderators here is pretty unfair (try dealing with reddit moderators who won't explain things outside of directly asking them a question) so i can kinda see why people are upset especially when talking about nerfing yuumi, but blatant hate for the forums mods is kinda unfounded (usually at least)
TehNACHO2 votesOh but you don't understand Captain, It doesn't matter who burned more books, the point is that books were burned, knowledge was suppressed, writers, ideas, and discussion were censored, and the Nazis were the most infamous people to have done it.
Just like the case here with the Yuumi thread. I visited the Yuumi thread, thought some people had some interesting ideas even if I didn't agree with all of them and now it's gone despite people talking about the game in what was effectively a constructive manner. They were proposing ideas, and some people were proposing other ideas or why the previously proposed ideas may not work, like an actual discussion, and now it's gone. The reason given by the moderator isn't sufficient based on what I actually saw going on over there, and if it was removed because of a couple people having an argument then you might as well close the entire forums.
/s
CaptainAntiHeroz5 votesOh but you don't understand Captain, It doesn't matter who burned more books, the point is that books were burned, knowledge was suppressed, writers, ideas, and discussion were censored, and the Nazis were the most infamous people to have done it.
Just like the case here with the Yuumi thread. I visited the Yuumi thread, thought some people had some interesting ideas even if I didn't agree with all of them and now it's gone despite people talking about the game in what was effectively a constructive manner. They were proposing ideas, and some people were proposing other ideas or why the previously proposed ideas may not work, like an actual discussion, and now it's gone. The reason given by the moderator isn't sufficient based on what I actually saw going on over there, and if it was removed because of a couple people having an argument then you might as well close the entire forums.
/s
I think the biggest problem lies in the ability to have different interpretations of the rules which is a super big pain in the ass especially when you go into a section to talk about Gameplay and find out No No No thats ACTUALLY General Discussion. It is incredibly frustrating at times how they distinguish between Gameplay and Gameplay related General Discussion
Deνiruchi12 votesWhy don't you moderators move topics to their respective forums instead of completely removing them and asking the players to reopen it in the correct forum?
Crescent Dusk22 votesWhy don't you moderators move topics to their respective forums instead of completely removing them and asking the players to reopen it in the correct forum?
Because the purpose is not to guide people, it's to censor them by making the effort of rewriting and reposting a thread in another forum a disincentive in itself to continue the conversation.
My thread criticizing the horrible idea of giving Senna a shroud mechanic when they couldn't even balance Akali's (which affects a single player and not multiple) was removed and they told me I should repost it in rant or general discussion, which makes no damn sense considering a champion's gameplay is being discussed.
LatetotheRace5 votesBack in the day nice mods used to move my posts. In like... s3-s4 era. But now the lot of them are jerks is seems.
ModJikker9 votesBack in the day nice mods used to move my posts. In like... s3-s4 era. But now the lot of them are jerks is seems.
The old forums (parchment ones) had that functionality. Once the move to the Boards happened, the functionality was lost. There's a reason so many of us fought hard against the move since we knew this platform was inferior in many ways.
There also was very limited moderation back then which is why many people may not remember this. Only reason I know is I had a thread moved.
LatetotheRace5 votesIs this something y'all are actively pushing for still? There is functionality I can 100% support for the mods to have, but that is not synonymous with authority and I want to make that clear.
The new forums are pretty linear in design and I doubt this would take much effort on the part of anyone to implement it, so let's get it done?
Pika3103 votesAccording to this post, Rito is unwilling to pay the money to hire a programmer to add necessary features such as moving threads and Rito is also unwilling to give access to their unpaid volunteer programmers to add that feature either.
Regardless of how little effort it would require & how extremely useful & beneficial to moderation it would be, it simply won't happen. Because a multi-billion-dollar international corporation is unwilling to spend money for the convenience of their staff and customers.
LatetotheRace5 votes~~ Because a multi-billion-dollar international corporation~~ You forgot small indie game company. I fixed it for you. I would say it's time for a verbal recognition against riot for this, but they have a very "specific" business model.
ModAcademy Kayn6 votesBecause it's physically impossible for us to do so. The tools we have don't allow it, and we don't have the indepth ability to change that.
Okraki10 votesSo why censor, the opinions of people? It can't be done, by you, ok if enough people collectively voice an opinion its possible that something is done, yes unlikely, but dosint mean its impossible, hell it has happen before. It be most beneficial to you as well as the community to not delete post like this, and simply look past it, its not in the wrong section, its not harming no one. If you deprive people of the option to voice there opinion you get backlash, this is backlash, i think mostly deserved. As long as people remain civil i don't see why anything needs to be deleted. Unfortunately now this thread turned from gameplay talk, into moderators, and this is none other then your own doing, consequences. Nothing against you, though your comments, will be heavily scrutinized.
ModAcademy Kayn6 votesBecause it's not censorship. Ryker isn't telling anyone they can't post what they want to say, they're saying that it's better posted on a different board. Just because it's not harmful doesn't mean we shouldn't enforce the rules that every subboard obeys. A gameplay topic in Player behavior technically doesn't harm anything either, but it's still the wrong place for it.
And I'm aware, the 140 downvotes on Rykers comment is more than telling that people are taking an issue with this. And I'm perfectly fine answering people's questions about why the action was taken, and more than willing to take feedback about whether or not this is what we want Gameplay to be about. That's why we have the proposed Gameplay rules thread, the one Ulanpo posted below (Scroll down real far).
At the end of the day though, if we're looking at the comments on said proposed rules thread, people want gameplay to be more than just a minimal effort board. 22 words which can be summed up as "I don't like this, this shouldn't be like this" isn't exactly gameplay material, though the argument which I do think is valid, is the discussion that took place within the thread. On the other hand, just because people can make a discussion out of a minimal effort post, does that mean we should just let people keep doing them?
Honestly, it's a tough question, and that's why we posted the proposed rules. We want feedback on what people want from Gameplay posts.
Ęsdeath13 votesI like how you guys expect people to follow those rules through think and thin, not caring about raising a bit of tolerance. The moment you see something in a thread that damages the rules (which might not even be the OP's fault), you immediately either remove the entire thread or entirely lock it. It might not even go against the rules! It might just be a little slip, that you guys immediately take the chance to ruin everyone's discussion.
You even come here giving the blatant excuse that sometimes "there is no effort put in thread-writing". You go as far as believing that people come here and carefully examine those rules, line by line, every time they make a thread. And worst of all ... now you come here to impose that people should carefully elaborate every single thread when the title itself or the simplest message is more than enough to make people understand it ... lol. I didn't know people were applying for real-life jobs here.
Surprisingly, you always asspull some kind of rule just to defend your points. You and your friendy-mods who seem to love having their posts downvoted to oblivion because they never learn. In my opinion? I think your role should literally just be reduced to dealing with spammers and flamers; not going around seeing if a casual post is being perfectly harmonious and argumentative or if a lot of effort was put in the thread main-text, lol again.
(Inb4 he decides to rank-shame everyone here)
DuskDaUmbreon4 votesThe moment you see something in a thread that damages the rules (which might not even be the OP's fault), you immediately either remove the entire thread or entirely lock it
Gee it's almost like that's what the damn rules are for, and what the mods are here to do.
TwitchInMyPants15 votesGee it's almost like that's what the damn rules are for, and what the mods are here to do.
Sometimes the rules are bad
Sometimes something is in a grey area
Sometimes a moderator should bring in the human element, realize they are there to decide whether action is needed, and make the decision they feel is correct. Not the one prescribed by vague rules. Frankly the rules usually are fine but its an issue when they stretch them like this.
If discussing an ability being changed/reworked is a "rant" then most Gameplay threads in general are liable for deletion. If the rules prescribe this kind of action, the rules are probably wrong. Frankly I don't even think they do, Rant's role is clearly screaming into the void about how pissed you are whereas gameplay is for discussion related to game mechanics. Discussing an ability rework is EXACTLY what that board is for.
I used to give the mods here credit for not acting like the lolreddit mods where they'll delete threads for "Misleading title" or something like that even when the title is clearly describing its contents. But now when many threads can fit into multiple sections of the board, they're choosing to delete things for "Wrong board". If you can't see how that can be abused and how this decision is a bad one then there isn't much hope here.
Tomoe Gozen1 votesSometimes something is in a grey area
Think about your statement here. What if this is the "gray area" that the mods had to figure out what to do and with their limited moderation ability, the removal of the post was the only correct solution?
And your response here is "this smells like censorship to me, boss". The thing is, when you say "grey area", this means that the mods themselves have to subjectively decide if this "grey area" of the rules violates it or allows it. And it's the decision (binary one, yes or no question) you don't agree with so your view of the situation is flagrantly black and white - "mods don't approve of it, therefore they're removing posts that criticize Riot" etc.
There is yet another option for mods and that is to edit (or remove) parts of the post themselves so that the content isn't outright removed in its entirety, in order to comply with the rules of the specific board. However, if the problem was just one word, i'm sure that the mods would've done so in the first place.
Secondly, mods have lives of their own and one mod doesn't moderate the boards 24/7. Their ranks are entirely comprised of volunteers that don't get paid by Riot for doing this "job". So even saying that they should do this more often and watch the submissions (both threads and thousands of comments a day) like a hawk would be overwhelming - it's not a realistic solution.
Thirdly, even if they did this by default (editing the thread), they could entirely change the context of the OP's thoughts when they wrote the thread first. And frankly, it's not the mods' job to rewrite a rant into coherent thoughts about the issue at hand, the OP was trying to convey. One thing would be that mods have simply removed the thread without any context and pretended it never existed in the first place, the other is that they made the decision to remove it and notify the OP about why the removal happened.
TwitchInMyPants2 votes[{quoted}](name=Tomoe Gozen,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=g53JK9pg,comment-id=0008000a0001000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-11-17T14:31:56.033+0000)
Think about your statement here. What if this is the "gray area" that the mods had to figure out what to do and with their limited moderation ability, the removal of the post was the only correct solution?
And your response here is "this smells like censorship to me, boss". The thing is, when you say "grey area", this means that the mods themselves have to subjectively decide if this "grey area" of the rules violates it or allows it. And it's the decision (binary one, yes or no question) you don't agree with so your view of the situation is flagrantly black and white - "mods don't approve of it, therefore they're removing posts that criticize Riot" etc.
-Snip-
Yeah my view isn't an authority over the mods
But the fact is that people regularly complain about this issue and how there's hundreds of posts that won't be recoverable, conversations entirely removed, just because the OP was deemed "low effort". A standard that's extremely vague and other people have pointed out is inconsistent. Me even calling the post a grey area is a bit dishonest, its giving the mods some credit that they are being genuine about the rules.
And honestly the decision clearly was out of hand, hundreds of people, many of which disagree with the OP are upset by the decision. And now this gameplay thread that's supposed to be a balance discussion has now become a moderation discussion. This is the kind of thread that should be moved, but I'm glad they aren't because they need to hear the feedback from people.
Large discussions shouldn't be stifled just because the rules prescribe them. The moderators write the rules and use feedback from the community to change them. They aren't this constant thing that isn't malleable. They shouldn't be treated like a sacred law, they should be treated as guidelines to make the boards better. Deleting discussions that could fit into more than one board isn't making our discussions any better, its making people pissed they lost time making tons of posts that weren't toxic, were constructive, and now instead we have this thread that's pretty much entirely criticism of the mods with a minority of it actually being about Yuumi. Their decision clearly didn't make boards discussion better.
TwitchInMyPants9 votes[{quoted}](name=Academy Kayn,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=g53JK9pg,comment-id=0008000a000100000000,timestamp=2019-11-16T06:50:20.820+0000)
Because it's not censorship. Ryker isn't telling anyone they can't post what they want to say, they're saying that it's better posted on a different board. Just because it's not harmful doesn't mean we shouldn't enforce the rules that every subboard obeys. A gameplay topic in Player behavior technically doesn't harm anything either, but it's still the wrong place for it.
And I'm aware, the 140 downvotes on Rykers comment is more than telling that people are taking an issue with this. And I'm perfectly fine answering people's questions about why the action was taken, and more than willing to take feedback about whether or not this is what we want Gameplay to be about. That's why we have the proposed Gameplay rules thread, the one Ulanpo posted below (Scroll down real far).
At the end of the day though, if we're looking at the comments on said proposed rules thread, people want gameplay to be more than just a minimal effort board. 22 words which can be summed up as "I don't like this, this shouldn't be like this" isn't exactly gameplay material, though the argument which I do think is valid, is the discussion that took place within the thread. On the other hand, just because people can make a discussion out of a minimal effort post, does that mean we should just let people keep doing them?
Honestly, it's a tough question, and that's why we posted the proposed rules. We want feedback on what people want from Gameplay posts.
If a thread could belong on multiple boards and has hundreds of upvotes don't delete it just because you think it should be moved
This seriously should be common sense, how do you have this disconnect? This is far from the first time people have complained about it. If you feel the need to make it known just pin a comment stating you think it should be moved, but its being allowed to stay up so discussion can continue.
Instead, you're such sticklers for the rules that you stifle discussion. What good does that do for discussion especially when its such a minor rule? And frankly it wasn't even close to a rant, I saw the thread. It's what you see literally everyday on gameplay, a mix of complaints with balance suggestions. When are you going to delete all those threads on the front page classifying them as "rants"?
Ýisus14 votesAs a database admin - If Riot cannot grant you ability to move topics around... then Riot needs to fire its programming staff and hire me as a consultant. I could have that shit set up and granted within 5 minutes.
Ęsdeath4 votesThis honestly makes me wonder if our accounts are that really secure. It's hilarious how YOU are responsible for keeping your account safe, when they don't implement anything to tightly secure it (2FA, for example). If someone somehow managed to brute-force my account or even hack it, I would be the one in charge of keeping it safe.
Support would blame me and walk away from it. It's genuinely hilarious, I gotta tell you.
LatetotheRace3 votesOh man, I was sitting in the lobby when one day and I got logged out. Turns out some dude from ukraine got onto my account, which I immediately just changed my password either way. (Crisis averted I guess?) But here's the fucking kicker. I went and turned in a support ticket not 15 minutes after, and the response was oh, yeah there was some weird access to the account, good job changing your password.
But what if I hadn't been online during that EXACT moment, and what if... Like seriously, they didn't even try to make some bullshit up about trying to do anything about it. (They could have at least banned access from the game to that IP at the very least. Pfft)
General Esdeath 12 votesI think mods just throw darts to decide what posts to delete.
Post in Story, Art, & Sound about how Riot didn't tell us about the Qiyana Prestige skin being tokens, where OP is clearly wrong and given evidence he's wrong? Keep it up.
Gameplay post about gameplay mechanics? Removed.
Romans VI XXIII7 votesNah, some of them abuse their power and use it to remove things they disagree with.
ModAcademy Kayn2 votesWe're not in the business of telling people what's right or wrong. What we do, is enforce the rules of subboards and try to keep people respectful to one another. People are allowed to be wrong, they're not allowed to insult others.
General Esdeath 5 votes[{quoted}](name=Academy Kayn,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=g53JK9pg,comment-id=000d0001,timestamp=2019-11-16T08:39:56.316+0000)
We're not in the business of telling people what's right or wrong. What we do, is enforce the rules of subboards and try to keep people respectful to one another. People are allowed to be wrong, they're not allowed to insult others.
"Posting designed to bait conversation or falsify content." Found under the trolling section of the board rules. Are you telling me that making a false claim isn't falsifying content?
And tell me this, why was OP's post deleted exactly?
ModAcademy Kayn1 votes"Posting designed to bait conversation or falsify content."
Being wrong =/= being misleading. Someone can be misinformed and not be trolling, falsify content is when they're showing actually altered content from a source, and presenting that as the true source. The rule is there for purposeful attempts, but people are misinformed every day by accident.
And for OP's, I'll quote Ulanpo's post from down below.
General Esdeath 4 votes[{quoted}](name=Academy Kayn,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=g53JK9pg,comment-id=000d000100000000,timestamp=2019-11-16T18:50:11.125+0000)
Being wrong =/= being misleading. Someone can be misinformed and not be trolling, falsify content is when they're showing actually altered content from a source, and presenting that as the true source. The rule is there for purposeful attempts, but people are misinformed every day by accident.
When I show someone a picture and they claim "That wasn't there" then idk what else to call it.
And for OP's, I'll quote Ulanpo's post from down below.
it's just loading the post but I'm assuming it's this comment
"It's not entirely unconstructive, but it's still probably better for GD than Gameplay. Thing is, Gameplay should be about discussions, GD should be about conversations. That might seem like a fine distinction, but I think it's an important one. My friends and I sit around griping about League all the time. None of those conversations would be fit for Gameplay."
In which case, why is this post up?
https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/4xPBcw5Z-ivern-is-simply-wonderful
or this one
or this one
https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/YRdncNx1-senna-broken-or-not-broken-poll
All on the front page. None of which have any more potential for a discussion than OP's post. OP proposed a chance, these are just threads talking about champions, no discussions.
According to Ulanpo's comment he's quoting these rules:
DO CONSIDER HOW THE READER IS INTENDED TO FEEL OR RESPOND. Posts that encourage thoughtful discussion are preferred. While you may be angry or frustrated, Gameplay is not really the Board for complaining.
2nd thread is just complaining
DO LEAVE ROOM FOR DISAGREEMENT The Boards are for sharing ideas and discussion. Dealing in absolutes prevents those things. Calling for a champion to be gutted generally ends all conversation. Likewise, refusing to see how someone else could have a different - even contradictory - opinion or perspective closes off possibilities.
If this rule is followed, half of gameplay should be deleted and not hit the front page, instead we see constant threads of "Nerf X" such as:
https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/Ppqa3WEj-shaco-still-needs-nerfs
floo8 votesGot my post deleted within an hour, for criticizing Yasuo being able to Q someone while still in ult animation, which is simply bad design. For low effort post.. I have never seen someone talk about this on this board before, but since it's Yasuo I guess it just gets thrown away like all the other copy posts.
Tarquin967 votesOnce again riot doesent moderate these boards.The mods are not riot employees
Rıots Bad Client6 votesPersonally. No.
I dont think tahm should spit out allies if he's cc'd
I dont think Yuumi should get knocked off her target In ANY way.
Thats not good. (We Punish you because your ally couldn't dodge a stun)
We should reward Yuumi's for going off her ally. For example. (not suggesting All these at once. But you get the idea.)
-Make her Q refunds half the mana when she uses it off her allies.
-Give her passive shield more than one auto to grant bigger shields. (like 3 autos Max)
-Make it so that She doesn't get Mana regen while shes on her ally(But give her ally a % of her mana regen whiles shes on) Then give her back % of her mana back based on her Mana regen On autos)
-Make it so that If she leaves an ally she cannot connect to another ally so quickly(In other words, she has to go down with the sinking ship rather ditch, walk a portion to get another ally)
-Make it so her dash to allies is significantly Smaller Back to range when shes already on an ally.
-Have it so that when staying on the same ally for to long the adaptive power decreases 70% over time. and after leaving she'll have the adaptive for 2-3 seconds. (this way she can get some attack speed, maybe for the 3 shield passive)
-have 10% of the damage her attacked ally to be redirected to her(So she has to get off her ally to heal her self If she becomes low)
-It might be even cool to see If Yuumi herself becomes a projectile when she dashes from ally to ally dealing the same amount of damage of her Q)
idk, there is a lot they can do. This is just to make her more rewarding and more riskier.
She currently has no risk out side her Passive... Which they nerfed.