More ways Yasuo breaks the Rules for no reason other then CT bad design.
Yasuo's Q which is a LINE AOE attack and a Massive ranged LINE AOE 2 stacks attack heals for 100% of life steal when Life steal (and other forms of on hit healing) are to be 33% effective with AOEs
At Full build each Q heals for ~120 and each Auto attack for 100 if he builds 
Mordepool50 votesI always Wondered why Yasou out healed Me. Im Morde i sacrificed Mobility and CC for my sustain. And Yasou would routinely out heal me in matches.
So the Rules set out for everyone don't apply to Yas?
Illabethe27 votesIt is NOT Yasuo exclusive. It's a side effect of how they reworked 
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In How many threads do I have to post this information?
https://leagueoflegends.fandom.com/wiki/Infinity_Edge
The true damage benefits from life steal, even if the damage is dealt through abilities (i.e Alpha Strike Alpha Strike). Lifesteal, spell vamp and ability drain (i.e. Ravenous Hunter rune Ravenous Hunter), always consider the true damage dealt as single-target damage, making them benefit fully. Unlike normally, spell vamp will also heal from the true damage from basic attacks.
Mordepool11 votesHoly shit
Worst Morde NA3 votesDoes this mean I should make a full sustain AD Morde troll build and build this??
Gunblade, Death Dance, Infinity Edge, Phantom Dancer, Triforce... hmmmm
5050BS5 votesIts REALLY bad Design but what do you expect from Riot. Really College kids in first year programming can design a better game.
Wacky94 votesThen why wouldn't they?
3TWarrior3 votesbecause the Big X number of companies copyrite everything under the sun
did you know that a floating arrow marker/indicator for a map/objective is copyrited? they can legally sue you for something that stupid if you make enough money for them to care
Jerry SeinfeId1 votesif you managed to create a whole game, why wouldn't you be able to create a new map marker of your own?
3TWarrior2 votesno. You could use a compass, but if you used anything even resembling a pointer, you would have to pay a royalty fee...
well, maybe not in the EU, but that's the stupidity that happens in the US and even then the royaltee fee could probably be charged for any sales made in the US
that's why startup companies have so many problems now. The larger companies make it almost impossible to enter the market
Take league for example. You could make a similar game, but you would have to be certain that what you create is "unique" or cannot be claimed as infringing upon another's work and if the companies want your money, they can sue for any simple thing
Making unique games is almost unheard of. That's why the genres only change now and again. In addition to that, the more unique the game, the harder it can be to get it started as "unique" is not always a good thing
It's all a very complicated process, especially when it's a commercial game or meant to provide a similar experience to a commercial game
it's all up the lawyers...
Z3Sleeper7 votesWell to address the OP, Yasuo's Q applies lifesteal against its first target like a basic attack which is where the majority of his 1v1 healing power is coming from.
It doesn't lifesteal past the first target unless he is dealing true damage in which case the true damage portion will benefit fully from "single target" lifesteal/spellvamp as well like you've posted.
5050BS4 votesIts not just Mord. Its every champ that has Built in Healing that he out heals. Its total BS
shockprimex1 votes
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LordGeovanni1 votesYasou builds slight life steal and shits on mundo's healing same with singed
shockprimex1 votesYeah sure buddy.
LordGeovanni1 votesyouve probally never seen yasou health 20% of his max hp per auto. Dam lucky bastard
Frog goes moo2 votesMorde doesn't sacrifice his cc and mobility for sustain. He sacrifices it for his high damage. His sustain is only an accessory but not the core reason. His ability to kill people with three attacks, that's why he's immobile and lacks cc.
I still agree that yasuo shouldn't heal from his Q.
Worst Morde NA5 votesSad thing is, he cant kill someone with all 3 Qs anymore.
Rather, I tend to get 2 and 3 shot by AD assasins before I can even get my first AA off
LordGeovanni1 votesMaybe if morde wasnt build like a ranged mage and more like a bruiser except his damage items are ap instead of ad he wouldnt blow up to ad assassins?
Mordepool2 votesMage Build = Reliable enough to work as an AP threat. AD bruiser build = dead before he can deal damage.
Thats a Fact. Morde needs AP for healing off of W and his atk speed is so fucking bad putting all your baskets in landing 3 Qs is so unreliable as to be impossible.
GigglesO1 votesI would love to build him bruiser, it just isn't balanced to be played as bruiser.
LordGeovanni1 votesHe sacrifices it for his shield and thus effective damage mitigation while fighting. Like having bone plating but it never ends as long as he is fighting and can reach a stronger point. Mordes damage is the unhealthy part of him cause he outdamages other melee fighters just because with no real cooldown windows to take advantage of. He need a large cut on that and maybe a normalizing of his shielding (with a lower max shield later)
3TWarrior1 votesif morde is a tank, he's ignored, if he's a squishy damage dealer, he's ignored
it's better when he's a squishy, damage dealing less tanky juggernaut , though they need to make a better Q for him...his old one was problematic because it allowed him to be a lane bully to almost everything, but now he's lucky to get any damage at all with it
LordGeovanni1 votesI understand that he should be doing more damage than he is tanking but he does too much damage that he 80%'s other melee champions at 2 items with just first and second q and can 80% another melee with the 3rd q press E and collect a double kill. and that shouldnt be happening thats just morde on an average game and dont say then they should build magic resist because by that logic morde should be building armor or magic resist to not get chunked like that himself but no because he has his shield that drops his base hp by50-200 for his class and gets a shield that is constantly being filled as his is fighting for 130- 400 max capacity and as i said its constantly being filled as he fights so versus a melee thats at least 2.5 times that. Morde mains only cry because they get kited by ranged champions and dont encounter melees because melees know that they auto lose to morde outside of other overtuned champions so they completely ignore morde and go else where on the map.
3TWarrior2 voteswhat numbers are you using? his Q at max level does 50 + 60% AP and 90% AD and then third cast: 100 + 120% ap and 180% AD
it's also only an on-hit effect, so he's functioning at the same attack speed as normal
in addition, the AD value scales up, starting at 50/100 AD
let's say he has a trinity force, he can apply this at most 4x and of course his ultimate is very effective as a finisher but does a decent amount even when used as an engage , it would be a 6 second engage minimum and he has no gap closers or movement speed boosts
let's say he can somehow extend it perfectly and gets to use all 4 procs, he gets 4 auto attacks for their damage (that's quite a bit of damage for anyone), all 3 procs of Q (which you basically want to avoid anyway), his E damage and his ult damage
even at level 18, this is 146 x 4, + 292 * 4 + 200 + 360% AD + 240% AP + 155 + 60% AD + 60% AP and then percent max health on ultimate
let's say this is level 11 since you say two items, I don't know mordekaiser's ability path but let's use max Q since it seems to do the most
104 minimum AD x 4 + 208 x 4 + 200 + 360% AD + 240% AP + 125 + 60% AD + 60% AP and then percent max on ultimate
416 + 932 + around 360 + 125 + 60 = 1893 before defenses and that's not counting that he can cast his E twice in that six second window
#He is strong, but you let him hit EVERYTHING. he doesn't 80% for one Q...ever. He is also a juggernaut...you're not supposed to let them get near you...EVER
Any champion that you let them use everything and hit with trinity force is going to hit you very hard
#here's Aatrox: 4 x 103.9 + 4 x 207.8 + 393 + 421% AD + up to 100 + 80% AD
aatrox's ultimate increases his AD by 25% for 10 seconds
just from the above, 415.6 + 931.2 + 393 + around 432 + 100 + 80 = 1939, not factoring in ultimate or E value
both champions have conditional damage and if you rush in without prepping in some manner, they will probably crush you
#darius can do similar and true damage: passive: 115 + 150% BONUS AD (WHICH DOES NOT COUNT THE DAMAGE FOR EACH TICK OF HIS PASSIVE BEFORE HE GETS IT FULLY STACKED) (and I don't even know how to factor in his SECOND PASSIVE) + 4 x 107.9 + 4 x 215.9 + 160 + 140% AD + 50% AD with one point in W + 25% armor penetration on E
and then he gets 400 + 150% bonus AD as true damage
this comes to 433.6 + 867.2 + 160 + 140 or so + 53.9 + 400 = 2053
In fact, given the difficulty of landing mordekaiser's damage AT ALL, HE SEEMS RATHER UNDERPOWERED IN COMPARISON but is compensated by his ultimate's capabilities
if there's any issue, it's trinity force, but without trinity force, most champions that use it would have rather sub-par damage and they STILL HAVE TO GET IN RANGE TO HIT WITH IT
Mordepool1 votesWhat the fuck are you talking about no real cooldowns my ass. 14 s W rank 1
Your advocating for a champ with the worst target access in the whole game to Have Worse damage and defenses than other melee champions.
Just WHAT THE FUCK WOULD MORDE BRING TO THE GAME.
LordGeovanni1 votesBecause W is Mordekaisers big damage ability that you go in when its down not Q you are right and so smart. Totally not giving a technical long cooldown that doesnt matter that its down in a short range fight. Braum has 3 ranged cc and still has worse target access than Mordekaiser. same with Aatrox and they are nerfing it. Mordekaiser only does so bad getting to targets because he is so dam strong that he pushes anyone who would fight him in melee away much harder than anyone else melee except darius. Mordekaiser can W an ally or minion and run up to an enemy faster than aatrox can E q and get in melee range.
Mordepool1 votesYou comprehension of Morde leads me to believe you aren't even playing the same game. If you want to have an actual discussion ill start a Thread and we can Go over Every Ability and gameplay pattern in Detail.
LordGeovanni1 votesAll your morde examaples are people running from morde cause morde would kill them otherwise because he got 3 q's off but then you want to say he doesnt bully out other people.
Mordepool1 votesThreads open look foe your name
Illabethe18 votesIt's the . It's a secondary effect Riot put in to prevent the loss if lifesteal upon crit damage conversion.
Anything that has the ability to spell vamp or to attack activates them at 100% effectiveness on a crit.
Yasuo's one of the champs that gets to exploit this. So does Master Yi If he builds crit on his Q.
Ashe is another broken user. Her "Crits" may not be true crits, but they both convert for the purposes of IE's Stipulation, AND HER W applies the "Crit" as well. She 100% Life steals from all damage done by her W as a result. Even though it's a massive aoe.
Saevum4 votesI am ok if this benefits Ashe.
The problem would be the other two. Those don't need more than what they have right now. Especially Yi.
Stars Shaper4 votesI'm not ok if that benefits Ashe.
Beacon Academy3 votesIt's the
Anything that has the ability to spell vamp or to attack activates them at 100% effectiveness on a crit.
Yasuo's one of the champs that gets to exploit this. So does Master Yi If he builds crit on his Q.
Ashe is another broken user. Her "Crits" may not be true crits, but they both convert for the purposes of IE's Stipulation, AND HER W applies the "Crit" as well. She 100% Life steals from all damage done by her W as a result. Even though it's a massive aoe.
That Ashe one was useful... Thanks for the info.
Tahminatrix 13 votesWait really? That's so silly considering other champions need to suffer their (aoe penalty) when dueling.
Illabethe11 votesIt's not Yasuo. It's a side effect of the way they designed 's Rework. Critting abilities fully apply both Life steal and Spell Vamp.
Lil Homie busta1 votesYou're wrong, it doesn't
Shows how much you know about the champ. Test it on the dummies, it doesn't apply to all targets, just one (the closest).
Ignorance at it finest.
Illabethe4 votesRead other posts. Itemless, Yasuo's Q only applies to the first hit. But once he has his PD and IE, it applies to ALL targets a crit applies to. This even applies to any Static Shiv damage that originates from his Q.
In other words, the initial kit, you're correct. But IE changes what the original kit does.
(This will probably all get reverted with the 9.3 IE revert back to being a crit multiplier, so the problem SHOULD fix itself)
Z3Sleeper4 votesThe OP is a bit misleading. It only heals for 100% against the first target struck. He means moreso that it's an AoE attack that should have the AoE penalty.
However, for all intents and purposes, Yasuo's Q is treated as a basic attack against the first target struck in all cases. Spellblade, on-hit effects, crit (reduced by Randuin's and triggers Thorns, which only proc vs "basic attacks"), etc. It even scales on attack speed.
As Illabethe has posted several times in here though, if he deals true damage to multiple enemies then he heals for 100% ("single target") of his lifesteal/spellvamp for the true damage dealt.
UnboundHades13 votesif im not mistaken he only procs on hit effects on the first target hit and seeing how lifesteal is onhit it should only heal him like he hit them with an aa so its not going to be alot more.
Illabethe8 votesAs long as Yasuo crits with IE, his Q will apply to all targets hit by it.
5050BS9 votesAnd he Crits 100% because of shit design.
Salron3 votesBecause RNG crits are better right?
Spicy Rice4 votesExcept the problem isn't him critting, but how life steal works with true damage along with the iedge rework.
5050BS7 votesLets put some perspective on this.
Illaoi who's Tentacles heal her for 5% missing HP (who tons of players say heals too much) Q and W (if there is a tentacle near by) heal her for 100 IF she is down 2k hps She can activate this once every 2.4s (with 40% CDR)
Darius Q heals for 12% of his Missing HP for each champion hit. That is 240 hps IF he is down 2k hps. He can activate this every 2s with 40% CDR.
Yasuo can Activate Q every 1.3s (and has auto attacks at the same time ~2 every second) he heals for 120 for each target (NOT champions) for each Q and ~100 for each Auto attack. So in 2.6s he can heal for 640 hps. He does not need to be down any HP and if he is at full he now has a shield over top of his OWN shield and does not have mana to gate him.
This is how broken he is.
Yets42407 votesAnd to put it even more in perspective, conceptually, and for their class, both Darius and Illaoi are supposed to be stronger, and more durable in melee, and healing is a distinct trait of juggernauts. They shouldn't be both outdamaged, and outhealed by a far more mobile champion, who both has more CC than either of them, but who also has three other defensive mechanics-- whereas that healing is the only defensive mechanic either of the two mentioned Juggernauts have.
Zaghyr7 votesHis Q is treated as a basic attack, and Lifesteal and on-hit effects are only applied to closest (for 1st and 2nd cast) or first (for 3rd) target hit. So while his Q does do aoe damage, it behaves like a basic attack and only applies lifesteal on one target, not all of them.
Mordepool1 votesWhere is the consistancy. MORDES Q is a basic attack that's treated like a Dot.
Wow fuck these double standards.
Skorch3 votesWhere is the consistancy. MORDES Q is a basic attack that's treated like a Dot.
Wow fuck these double standards.
Not to defend Yas. But id argue against morde for it being double standard. Cause morde isnt the standard. Morde is so fucked when it comes to pretty much everything about his kit. Im so happy hes the next rework coming out in 2021
