I really feel the toxicity of the game went into full swing after you removed being able to Honor the Enemy.
I just had a game where I stomped my laner but he was very positive even when one of his team mates was stupid toxic.
He asked for pointers vs Illaoi after the game and was very nice.
If I could Honor him I would have.
I feel that even the little bit of incentive some Honor from the enemy is can make a difference in the toxicity of the game.
Toxicate1350 votesI just think they should bring back the thing where you can honor as many team mates and enemies as you want. I think if multiple people deserve honors, they should get them
Tomoe Gozen5 votesNo because then honoring everyone would become the norm, given you're earning rewards for positive Honor level at the end of the season. Right this instance, your vote counts ONLY because you can give it to a single player, which means that if multiple people did the work, they can honor each other and split the votes that way. If everyone votes, you all get extra honor for that. If one person did the work, everyone can honor them and still all of you get the extra honor for all votes.
The system right now works because your votes matter. The system before didn't work because you could honor everyone and everyone did that for the small badges alone, which gave people incentive to mass honor, without honor meaning anything in return because everyone was after the bling.
5050BS8 votesNot like Friends and Duos dont abuse the Honor system.
Tomoe Gozen8 votesEven if they "abuse" the Honor system, Riot made premade votes carry less weight when honoring each other. Random players' honor votes matter more than premade honor votes because Riot wants to incentivize good plays instead of mass honoring in favor of easy Honor 5 goal.
LeafyGreen4 votesI don't think it is a big a deal as you think. They have said pre-made honors count less than random honors. The system is based more on good honor over a long period of time rather than reaching a threshold of X amount in one day to get to rank 5. If it was suddenly easier to get X times more honors than normal then just make it X times harder to rank up. It isn't that complicated with the way they claim to be able to interpret honor data.
I am personally fine with the 1 honor per person but instead with 1 for enemy and ally team just because it is more straight forward and simpler. What is the point of allowing multiple votes if they just increase what it takes to rank up?
Tomoe Gozen1 votesIf Riot increased honor experience 5 fold (for now being able to honor all 5 people), i'd actually have to worry about getting consistently honored in games so that i may even reach Honor 5 possibly, within a season. So no thanks on that front. I'd rather worry about the occasional honor(s) because that way, i know for a fact that i certainly don't deserve an honor for just being a participant in a given game. I actually have to do something that my teammate(s) may give me recognition for.
And where is my incentive to honor the opponent? Explain to me for what should i honor them, given i'm playing with my own team and am essentially judging their performance only? I'm not judging my enemy's nor am i able to acknowledge good shotcalls on the other side - that's something for their teammates to do.
Both teams get to honor vote for their teammates, regardless of a won or lost game. If i lose a game, i can still honor my teammates who i think did good, despite the obvious outcome. Where does "honor an opponent" come into account anywhere?
As of this moment, i have no incentive to honor people i'm playing against because i can't judge them on the same criteria as i would my team. What does it mean to be an honorable opponent, except not being a dick and rubbing it in people's faces in chat, spamming emotes, mastery or ctrl + 1,2,3 or 4? Right now, people just want this for the bling, they have no real and justifiable reason to why this needs to exist. I don't chat with the opposing team, my cross chat was disabled years ago. The cross-team communication is pointless anyway.
If we've stooped this low and honor opponents for not being intentional dickbags, then this recognition is a pretty pointless one that carries no weight for what it's supposed to represent.
Sorakas Pantheon1 votesFun fact cross-team chat is automatically turned off for people that have new accounts and you actually have to go into the settings to turn it on
True Garen2 votes[{quoted}](name=Tomoe Gozen,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=lgEGz0OV,comment-id=0000000000010000,timestamp=2019-09-29T15:05:58.994+0000)
If Riot increased honor experience 5 fold (for now being able to honor all 5 people), i'd actually have to worry about getting consistently honored in games so that i may even reach Honor 5 possibly, within a season. So no thanks on that front. I'd rather worry about the occasional honor(s) because that way, i know for a fact that i certainly don't deserve an honor for just being a participant in a given game. I actually have to do something that my teammate(s) may give me recognition for.
And where is my incentive to honor the opponent? Explain to me for what should i honor them, given i'm playing with my own team and am essentially judging their performance only? I'm not judging my enemy's nor am i able to acknowledge good shotcalls on the other side - that's something for their teammates to do.
Both teams get to honor vote for their teammates, regardless of a won or lost game. If i lose a game, i can still honor my teammates who i think did good, despite the obvious outcome. Where does "honor an opponent" come into account anywhere?
As of this moment, i have no incentive to honor people i'm playing against because i can't judge them on the same criteria as i would my team. What does it mean to be an honorable opponent, except not being a dick and rubbing it in people's faces in chat, spamming emotes, mastery or ctrl + 1,2,3 or 4? Right now, people just want this for the bling, they have no real and justifiable reason to why this needs to exist. I don't chat with the opposing team, my cross chat was disabled years ago. The cross-team communication is pointless anyway.
If we've stooped this low and honor opponents for not being intentional dickbags, then this recognition is a pretty pointless one that carries no weight for what it's supposed to represent.
I only honoured an opponent when the merit was outstanding.
LeafyGreen1 votesJust like teammates you don't have to honor your opponent. I agree with what you are saying about just because someone isn't flaming you in chat doesn't make it honorable, it only seems so because games are so toxic these days. But I would like to honor those opponents who give me advice, is just hilarious, or didn't int in a situation that a lot of others would. Like others have said, I actually honor more now than I did before a gigantic screen covered my client asking me to honor someone every match.
True Garen2 votesI am personally fine with the 1 honor per person but instead with 1 for enemy and ally team just because it is more straight forward and simpler. What is the point of allowing multiple votes if they just increase what it takes to rank up?
Because the point of the honour system isn't the rewards, obviously. The idea is to get people into the habit of more respectful and appreciative thinking. The rewards are intentionally marginal, to discourage "honour farming" (it's not an efficient way to amass loot). It's kind of the same principle (but working in reverse) as having a "swear jar". (Although, I notice that most people don't seem to understand the function of that, either..)
True Garen2 votes[{quoted}](name=Tomoe Gozen,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=lgEGz0OV,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2019-09-29T13:44:19.784+0000)
No because then honoring everyone would become the norm, given you're earning rewards for positive Honor level at the end of the season. Right this instance, your vote counts ONLY because you can give it to a single player, which means that if multiple people did the work, they can honor each other and split the votes that way. If everyone votes, you all get extra honor for that. If one person did the work, everyone can honor them and still all of you get the extra honor for all votes.
The system right now works because your votes matter. The system before didn't work because you could honor everyone and everyone did that for the small badges alone, which gave people incentive to mass honor, without honor meaning anything in return because everyone was after the bling.
Funny thing, though - before, I only honoured if somebody stood out as meriting it. But NOW I honour 1 in every match.
I suspect that there is overall more honours being distributed now, rather than before, even if some had been giving multiple honour consistently before...
Tr4shB4NSYST3M19 votesI miss honorable enemy a lot as an option.
Should be 1 ally 1 enemy
GREYW0LF15 votesI agree... It was nice to be able to honor a deserving opponent, such as one who kept trying even when behind.
TO be honest, I'd rather be able to honor opponents instead of teammates, since often people only honor their grouped/friends on their team even if they were feeding. The team-only honor system is basically pointless as it's currently being used.
Ragnaveil6 votesThis would definitely help fix the slow climb the honor system currently has going for it.
DalekZec5 votesThe reason why it got removed (or so i think at least) is because the honouring opponent is being used for wrong reasons.
Rather than honouring a worthy opponent, it's more like the ones who fed and did poorly are being honoured as a sign of "We won because of you" or "you were an easy pick for us to get fed".
Last time I heard, this was abused and was a big issue in the Japan server but that info is beyond my knowledge.
Hell, I've seen people on boards be like "I love honouring the opponent who fed me" which kinda shows the real issue here.
The Stripy Bag1 votesThe reason why it got removed (or so i think at least) is because the honouring opponent is being used for wrong reasons.
Rather than honouring a worthy opponent, it's more like the ones who fed and did poorly are being honoured as a sign of "We won because of you" or "you were an easy pick for us to get fed".
Last time I heard, this was abused and was a big issue in the Japan server but that info is beyond my knowledge.
Hell, I've seen people on boards be like "I love honouring the opponent who fed me" which kinda shows the real issue here.
I had the opposite issue of I honored my opponents who killed my team mates I disliked the most. But I'm a piece of s#!t honor wise so feel free to disregard me.
5050BS2 votesHave you not watched the live streams of High Elo? If they are not Duo (who only Honor their Duo) they will often Honor the team mate that fed the most.
Some people will ALWAYS misuse things.
Do you like taking your shoes off at the Air port? That was because of ONE guy who FAILED to use a SMALL Bomb. Now 100s of MILLIONS have had to take their shoes off.
DalekZec1 votesHave you not watched the live streams of High Elo? If they are not Duo (who only Honor their Duo) they will often Honor the team mate that fed the most.
Some people will ALWAYS misuse things.
Do you like taking your shoes off at the Air port? That was because of ONE guy who FAILED to use a SMALL Bomb. Now 100s of MILLIONS have had to take their shoes off.
Interesting examples on the airplane bombs man but...no...not a good point much.
To say the least, there are ways to fix false honoring really. But the problem is, is what i personally call the hydra problem. Solve 1 problem with a solution, 2 more problems appear.
True Garen2 votesHave you not watched the live streams of High Elo? If they are not Duo (who only Honor their Duo) they will often Honor the team mate that fed the most.
Some people will ALWAYS misuse things.
Do you like taking your shoes off at the Air port? That was because of ONE guy who FAILED to use a SMALL Bomb. Now 100s of MILLIONS have had to take their shoes off.
I think that you may be misreading the gesture. It's not intended to be mean, or abusive.
Honestly, with so many players just leaving after a couple of early deaths, I think that honouring the feeder who stayed to the end should be a given.
True Garen1 votesDo you like taking your shoes off at the Air port? That was because of ONE guy who FAILED to use a SMALL Bomb. Now 100s of MILLIONS have had to take their shoes off.
): This sounds like an argument for the opposite point that you are trying to make.
True Garen3 votesThe reason why it got removed (or so i think at least) is because the honouring opponent is being used for wrong reasons.
Rather than honouring a worthy opponent, it's more like the ones who fed and did poorly are being honoured as a sign of "We won because of you" or "you were an easy pick for us to get fed".
Last time I heard, this was abused and was a big issue in the Japan server but that info is beyond my knowledge.
Hell, I've seen people on boards be like "I love honouring the opponent who fed me" which kinda shows the real issue here.
Under the current Honour rewards system, I think that that would happen less. But, even if it did, it wouldn't even be that bad, since the enemy team basically gave the one who had the bad game a consolation prize. That turns the gesture into into something else... "everybody has a bad game; here, have a key fragment" - it doesn't have to be snarky. Like the above mentioned "one who kept trying even when behind."
DalekZec2 votes[{quoted}](name=True Garen,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=lgEGz0OV,comment-id=00080004,timestamp=2019-09-29T18:52:59.569+0000)
Under the current Honour rewards system, I think that that would happen less. But, even if it did, it wouldn't even be that bad, since the enemy team basically gave the one who had the bad game a consolation prize. That turns the gesture into into something else... "everybody has a bad game; here, have a key fragment" - it doesn't have to be snarky. Like the above mentioned "one who kept trying even when behind."
Hmm...i actually didn't think of it that way. Or probably forgot, it's been so long now.
Crispy0Snake4 votesI want post game gifts to come back too, that stuff was so good
Janakin4 votesDefinitely. I would be extremely curious to see the statistics of writing "ez" in the game before and after the removal of "Honorable opponent".
FSRER4 votesThe only way they would bring this back would be as a paid DLC because, you know, Paycent
Kai Guy3 votesI am with Murder on this one. To many idiots forget that with out an opponent to play vs you have no game. Reward good sportsmanship vs opponents.
IWillPun1shY0u2 votesI full on agree on this. I noticed that most of the people who dont agree with it are under lvl 30 which are possibly new players.
BitterFeetFungus1 votesi never honored enemy and rarely honor my own team
GilxeN1 votesi never honored enemy and rarely honor my own team
down voted for his own opinion, classical boards.
BitterFeetFungus1 votesit's not what the boards hive mind want to hear :)
ShyImagoghnar1 votesif they did, it'd probably the the only time i honor tbh
AS I LAY FEEDING1 votesI remember getting 4 honors for just playing since my team went afk at fountain.
Hunkmenlordy1 votesnah, honor your enemy = romance
KnKitsune1 votesDidn't one of the reason they removed it was BECAUSE of toxicity?
Players in the Korean server would often Honor the most feeding player on the enemy team.
True Garen2 votesDidn't one of the reason they removed it was BECAUSE of toxicity?
Players in the Korean server would often Honor the most feeding player on the enemy team.
See... I don't even see that as toxic behaviour. I think that it's nice. (But maybe non-Western players have a different sense of it...)
Neptunia xoxo1 votesHonoring is nowhere near the reason why the game is as toxic as it is. Any PvP game designed around teamwork and has a solo queue feature is always bound to bring in toxicity, Literally ANY game with this design has an extremely bad community (example: Overwatch, Dota2, Fortnite ect).
True Garen1 votesI really feel the toxicity of the game went into full swing after you removed being able to Honor the Enemy.
I think that it might help with the apparent upsurge of players dc from match.
Beserkerzlol1 votes{quoted} He asked for pointers vs Illaoi after the game and was very nice.
What pointers? Broken champ
5050BS1 votesYep that is why you see her in Plat+.....
She is easily countered if you know her and her bugs.
I BRING DARKNESS1 votesThe honor system is garbage, it was the absolute minimum Riot could get away with to handle it's "toxicity problem" and they lose pennies on the rewards system that they could be swindling people for with RP purchases. If you even mention buffing the system in any way they'll start crying and deleting threads again
DamSonWhUFndThis1 votesLoser with cool mind with feeder in his team is sometimes rare
Inkling Commando1 votessometimes the enemy is more honorable than your own team. which is sad but true
Tayzzer1 votesi dunno if it will reduce toxicity, but i would love the feature back for sure
Krys Star1 votesI was disappointed they got rid of it, since they want to promote sportsmanship between both teams. Getting rid of honoring enemies isn't in the spirit of being sportsmanlike. :(