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I am tired of people who ask for buffs again and again!

Phuc Dat Bich··2 votes·748 views

Veigar got his rework because he was "R-Q" one shoot someone without counter play and his AOE stun was insta...BUT HURR DURR RITO VEIGAR WAS BALANCED...yeah he wasent..so riot rework him in order to balance him! So they make his stun a little too slow so they fix it on 5.5 patch AND NOW YOU PEOPLE want even more buff? no he dosent need that low CD on his Q his Q give him AP every time he kill a minion imagine nasus with 4 CD on rank 1 Q plus imagine nasus to be able proc his Q double to kill 2 MINIONS in one Q and take DOUBLE the effect of his Q that what you people ask cant you see that this is NOT BALANCED stop asking for buffs you want riot to see all this "BUFF VEIG RITO VEIG TOO IS WEAK" and buff him and make him OP just so you people play him for one patch and take some free elo? and then the champ to be dumped in hell because riot would need to nerf him!

Then we have the people who say "Sejuani is balanced guys" when the champ is obvious no balanced atm sej was strong before 5.5 patch 5.5 patch make her way too dominant she need nerfs i know that some of you got some elo by abusing a champion with 60% win ratio ATM and you scare that when sej become balanced again you would drop 10 tiers and you would go back where you belong! (Same example with all this "WarWick mains " in preseason when the champ was having 60% win ratio like Sej have atm! So dont cry at board because sej need nerf and riot know it and you know it too!

Then you have the people who try to be hipsters "Riot why you dont buff poppy"..Really? really here? buff poppy? if poppy see play the champ is over she would be reworked the next day why? simple because if riot buff any single mana cost or skill on this champ this champ would become broken! FACE THE REALITY see the champ KIT before you ask for buffs jesus..

Then "Omg riot why you dont buff evelynn/elise" Oh i dont know maybe because when the 2 champs was viable the game was complete cancer? oh MAYBE THAT WHY SIMPLE BECAUSE IF elise and evelynn become viable the jungle and the game would become CANCEROUS once again! so no this 2 dont need BUFFS they need rework so let riot think some cool new kit for this 2 champ OR HELP RIOT with ideas to rework this 2 champs and stop saying "omg rito sucks dosent buff elise/eve wtf rito why" Simple because the people who are not Season 4/5 new players and they were here when elise and evelynn was strong THEY DONT WANT this 2 champs to become dominant again nope no thanks...

Then are the one "Yorick need buffs wtf riot why you dont buff him" TOP LANE atm is a mess and need fix the last thing we need is that stone sustain wall named yorick to be back buffed! this champ was complete cancer even if you were playing NUNU or CHO this champ still outscale you and you were forced to play this 2 champs otherwise you would lose lane at champ select! Yeah much fun..very balanced..AGAIN HELP RIOT to find a new HEALTHY kit for yorick DONT ASK FOR BUFFS!

TL;DR Stop asking for buffs on champs that have no healthy kit and when you know that this champs ware nerfed for a GOOD reason!

22 Comments

Lord Dusteon2 votes

...Read all of it, posting on Veigar bit.

Maybe people wouldn't ask for buffs if two of his skills weren't deleted? His E is almost unhittable against any mildly competent person, and W RELIES on E to land and thus does not exist. Whining about people wanting buffs so a champion is no longer non existent / forced into a Cass type rework (she's balanced, just not anywhere near a poison mage) is stupid.

OhOkYea2 votes

[{quoted}](name=Lord Dusteon,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=yTBGfpwh,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2015-03-18T00:40:14.238+0000)

...Read all of it, posting on Veigar bit.

Maybe people wouldn't ask for buffs if two of his skills weren't deleted? His E is almost unhittable against any mildly competent person, and W RELIES on E to land and thus does not exist. Whining about people wanting buffs so a champion is no longer non existent / forced into a Cass type rework (she's balanced, just not anywhere near a poison mage) is stupid.

you're just used to Veiger being so OP that him being balanced feels like he's underpowered. This is what it feels like to play a somewhat balanced champ. Sorry you can't 100-0 someone with 2 button presses anymore. You actually have to put some strategy and effort into now.

Lord Dusteon1 votes

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you're just used to Veiger being so OP that him being balanced feels like he's underpowered. This is what it feels like to play a somewhat balanced champ. Sorry you can't 100-0 someone with 2 button presses anymore. You actually have to put some strategy and effort into now.

Really? Because I'm pretty sure EVERY OTHER champion has a full kit, not 2 skills and a waveclear only skill. Yes, you have to put more 'effort' into Veigar now, WHICH IS NOT A PRO WHEN SAID EFFORT IS BECAUSE YOU LOST HALF YOUR KIT WITH LITTLE COMPENSATION.

BuCkeT SeiZureS1 votes

Don't bother with this OHOKYEA guy. he just goes and trolls on veigar forums. The vocal minority type deal.

Edit making it clear who i am talking about...

OhOkYea1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Lord Dusteon,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=yTBGfpwh,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2015-03-18T00:56:53.485+0000)

Really? Because I'm pretty sure EVERY OTHER champion has a full kit, not 2 skills and a waveclear only skill. Yes, you have to put more 'effort' into Veigar now, WHICH IS NOT A PRO WHEN SAID EFFORT IS BECAUSE YOU LOST HALF YOUR KIT WITH LITTLE COMPENSATION.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uxbdx-SeOOo

Phuc Dat Bich1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Lord Dusteon,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=yTBGfpwh,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2015-03-18T00:40:14.238+0000)

...Read all of it, posting on Veigar bit.

Maybe people wouldn't ask for buffs if two of his skills weren't deleted? His E is almost unhittable against any mildly competent person, and W RELIES on E to land and thus does not exist. Whining about people wanting buffs so a champion is no longer non existent / forced into a Cass type rework (she's balanced, just not anywhere near a poison mage) is stupid.

so again one more veig player who say about his W problem! but you are the one who say "yeah wtf riot why you remove the Q CD BUFF from PBE" you want riot to buff veigar but you want riot to also make veigar broken by buffing the Q CDR and point out that his W its hard to hit any more

So what i say on my post? give riot IDEAS say to riot "Hey riot veigar players have problem with the W because its to slow and with the new stun its way too hard to hit so can we make the W drop a bit faster? thanks" NOT "OMG RIOT YOU SUCK BUFF RIOT BUFF HIM NOW MAKE HIS Q BEING ONLY 1 SECOND CD AT RANK 1 YEAH BUFF HIM RIOT!

that why i say STOP asking for buffs again and again! because the Q buff would mean nothing it would be just a str8 up buff to his Q when Q have no problem because as i see all veigar players have problem with W

Lord Dusteon1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Müerte Vs Ámor,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=yTBGfpwh,comment-id=00000001,timestamp=2015-03-18T01:27:10.206+0000)

so again one more veig player who say about his W problem! but you are the one who say "yeah wtf riot why you remove the Q CD BUFF from PBE" you want riot to buff veigar but you want riot to also make veigar broken by buffing the Q CDR and point out that his W its hard to hit any more

So what i say on my post? give riot IDEAS say to riot "Hey riot veigar players have problem with the W because its to slow and with the new stun its way too hard to hit so can we make the W drop a bit faster? thanks" NOT "OMG RIOT YOU SUCK BUFF RIOT BUFF HIM NOW MAKE HIS Q BEING ONLY 1 SECOND CD AT RANK 1 YEAH BUFF HIM RIOT!

that why i say STOP asking for buffs again and again! because the Q buff would mean nothing it would be just a str8 up buff to his Q when Q have no problem because as i see all veigar players have problem with W

You didn't read my post at all. Here, let me highlight the important part you missed forced into a Cass type rework. I don't want Veigar to turn into another Cass rework (all of her power was placed in E. ALL of it.), which means I don't want all of Veigar's power being put in Q. He still needs changes though, and since Riot has made literally zero effort to change W since his nerfs they don't seem to think W being useless is a problem. I'd highly PREFER if his W and E weren't useless, but I'd also prefer Veigar being actually useful in game. Q buffs would help towards the later even though they would not help the former.

Phuc Dat Bich1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Lord Dusteon,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=yTBGfpwh,comment-id=000000010000,timestamp=2015-03-18T01:43:40.839+0000)

You didn't read my post at all. Here, let me highlight the important part you missed forced into a Cass type rework. I don't want Veigar to turn into another Cass rework (all of her power was placed in E. ALL of it.), which means I don't want all of Veigar's power being put in Q. He still needs changes though, and since Riot has made literally zero effort to change W since his nerfs they don't seem to think W being useless is a problem. I'd highly PREFER if his W and E weren't useless, but I'd also prefer Veigar being actually useful in game. Q buffs would help towards the later even though they would not help the former.

because all the "veigars mains" talk about how useless veig is atm and how he need help and bla bla! and nobody say at riot what veig need! all i see in board is "omg riot sucks so much they remove the buff from his Q" so riot atm would be like hmm maybe the CD buff on his Q was good so lets put it back on PBE for more tests" WHEN THE PROBLEM with veig is his W but anyone talk about that? no you all say how much riot suck for removing the buff CD on his Q...

ValyrianBlade2 votes

I'll ignore the stuff about champions that need reworks; there are balance levers fine enough to bring them up to par without making them oppressive. Simultaneously just because you don't like playing against a champion doesn't mean it shouldn't be relevant.

Anyways, to the main point, veigar. he's very different from nasus in terms of stacking, unlike what you suggest. Nasus builds full tank and his stacks allow him to deal huge damage while being practically unkillable. It's why his laning phase is so weak, as if he stacks well he's very hard to deal with.

In contrast, veigar builds almost pure damage despite his stacking. He stacks ap, not damage. So riot can easily balance his ratios around his ap gains if he gets out of hand, e.g. The ultimate nerf of 20% less ap ratio. Further, veigar has an anti mage 100-0 burst identity. Mid game he's supposed to crush mages. Late game he's meant to crush squishy targets.

After the change to his e, his w is only a waveclear tool. His q was made a skillshot so he can no longer point and click his combo. He was supposed to get compensation for dfg removal and yet post removal but pre changes his win rate was much better than post changes - the changes were an undeniable nerf. there was nothing wrong with his e being instant, it still had counterplay (it's range, not letting him stun more than 1, not stepping in to it after it landed, qss, tenacity, etc...). Regardless though, veigar does need buffs. The q cooldown buff may just not have been the right one. Just as lots of Champions may need buffs, it's just a matter of figuring out what the right buff is.

Phuc Dat Bich1 votes

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I'll ignore the stuff about champions that need reworks; there are balance levers fine enough to bring them up to par without making them oppressive. Simultaneously just because you don't like playing against a champion doesn't mean it shouldn't be relevant.

Anyways, to the main point, veigar. he's very different from nasus in terms of stacking, unlike what you suggest. Nasus builds full tank and his stacks allow him to deal huge damage while being practically unkillable. It's why his laning phase is so weak, as if he stacks well he's very hard to deal with.

In contrast, veigar builds almost pure damage despite his stacking. He stacks ap, not damage. So riot can easily balance his ratios around his ap gains if he gets out of hand, e.g. The ultimate nerf of 20% less ap ratio. Further, veigar has an anti mage 100-0 burst identity. Mid game he's supposed to crush mages. Late game he's meant to crush squishy targets.

After the change to his e, his w is only a waveclear tool. His q was made a skillshot so he can no longer point and click his combo. He was supposed to get compensation for dfg removal and yet post removal but pre changes his win rate was much better than post changes - the changes were an undeniable nerf. there was nothing wrong with his e being instant, it still had counterplay (it's range, not letting him stun more than 1, not stepping in to it after it landed, qss, tenacity, etc...). Regardless though, veigar does need buffs. The q cooldown buff may just not have been the right one. Just as lots of Champions may need buffs, it's just a matter of figuring out what the right buff is.

well i am talking for the Q cd buff that riot wanted to do in PBE and when they remove it people start calling riot "bad at balancing" and how "veigar really need that" when the problem on veigar is that his W its not longer easy to hit against a champion without your E but the plebs on BOARDS they ask for str8 up number buffs

Just imagine having veigar with 5 CD on his Q and 3 later one with some cdr that like 2 or 1.7 CD on a skill who provide him AP every time he kill something... isnt that wrong? i seeing and its wrong...

If they want to buff veig they can make his W drop a bit faster but buffing str8 up his NUMBERS are wrong!

Phuc Dat Bich1 votes

{quoted}

I'll ignore the stuff about champions that need reworks; there are balance levers fine enough to bring them up to par without making them oppressive. Simultaneously just because you don't like playing against a champion doesn't mean it shouldn't be relevant.

Anyways, to the main point, veigar. he's very different from nasus in terms of stacking, unlike what you suggest. Nasus builds full tank and his stacks allow him to deal huge damage while being practically unkillable. It's why his laning phase is so weak, as if he stacks well he's very hard to deal with.

In contrast, veigar builds almost pure damage despite his stacking. He stacks ap, not damage. So riot can easily balance his ratios around his ap gains if he gets out of hand, e.g. The ultimate nerf of 20% less ap ratio. Further, veigar has an anti mage 100-0 burst identity. Mid game he's supposed to crush mages. Late game he's meant to crush squishy targets.

After the change to his e, his w is only a waveclear tool. His q was made a skillshot so he can no longer point and click his combo. He was supposed to get compensation for dfg removal and yet post removal but pre changes his win rate was much better than post changes - the changes were an undeniable nerf. there was nothing wrong with his e being instant, it still had counterplay (it's range, not letting him stun more than 1, not stepping in to it after it landed, qss, tenacity, etc...). Regardless though, veigar does need buffs. The q cooldown buff may just not have been the right one. Just as lots of Champions may need buffs, it's just a matter of figuring out what the right buff is.

**Simultaneously just because you don't like playing against a champion doesn't mean it shouldn't be relevant. **

So you telling me that there is a player on this game that he was happy to play against yorick/evelynn/elise? when this champions wesent nerfed? because as i recall nobody was happy..and even the yorick mains wasent happy because yorick was just a boring gameplay of spamming ghosts...

Dreadlocks1 votes

I think people with read the first word of your rant and downvote.. at least i did :)

Phuc Dat Bich1 votes

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I think people with read the first word of your rant and downvote.. at least i did :)

that show the quality of the people who post on boards..a bunch of cry babies who only want their main to have str8 up buffed numbers and not some good kit around him...good job you just make prove me right!

Dreadlocks1 votes

I dont even play Veigar and i know his "DFG compensation" was garbage.

Phuc Dat Bich1 votes

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I dont even play Veigar and i know his "DFG compensation" was garbage.

veig with DFG was just stupid you know it i am know it riot know it! even the veig mains know it! when you can kill someone with just DFG-R its NOT NORMAL because its not even a skill shot or an ability that you can stop with CC

Syndra was the same stuff as veig and she got nerfed! but at least syndra was needed to drop some Q and E in order to have some balls on the ground

Veing? just DFG-R someone is off the map "much balance man" face the reality people FACE IT!

Dreadlocks1 votes

And thats all he did, now he just blows up himself. And don't get all bent about burst when Leblanc is getting a small slap on the wrist for her burst. Not to mention shes more mobile and has a low as fk CD on her ulti

Not to mention these changes to veigar were suppose to be BUFFS!

Phuc Dat Bich1 votes

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And thats all he did, now he just blows up himself. And don't get all bent about burst when Leblanc is getting a small slap on the wrist for her burst. Not to mention shes more mobile and has a low as fk CD on her ulti

hmm LB need to land 2 and ultimate ability to burst someone (2 of LB abilities are skill shots) now we have old Veig "Hurr durr i press 1(DFG) AND R ok someone die now lets stun the enemy team with my insta 2.75 second AOE stun"

Do you see the different?

But you think that veig was "bad" and now he is "useless" because you dont see him in LCS yeah in LCS they know how to destroy a veigar mid because they would build a whole team against him!

Now in Solo Q its different in no matter what division!

Dreadlocks1 votes

I never said old veig was bad. And do you know how veigs ulti works? leme enlighten you at a basic lvl. The more AP you have the more damage veigars ult does to you. comprende?

Phuc Dat Bich1 votes

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I never said old veig was bad. And do you know how veigs ulti works? leme enlighten you at a basic lvl. The more AP you have the more damage veigars ult does to you. comprende?

hmm with DFG-R old veig was able to kill ADC or the AD mid....it wasent needed to be AP to be one shooted from veing with his DFG-R..and for god sake you are silverV...

Dreadlocks1 votes

At that late in the game many veigars would argue ther Q would do more damage than their R (vs non mages)

BuCkeT SeiZureS2 votes

You can tell by his terrible grammar that he knows what he is talking about

nods nods

OhOkYea1 votes

some champs do need buffs. I don't think poppy needs any buffs.. but was supposed to get a full rework at some point.

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