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Akali is SO HOT··7 votes·728 views

You have 3 months to get to Gold and if you have not reached Gold by that time you will be locked from upvoting/downvoting/posting on G&B until you do so. Note that the timer starts from your first post and not on Day 1 of Season 6 so even if you made your first upvote/downvote/post halfway through the season you still have 3 months to get to Gold before your account is disabled. This will give everyone a chance to post their thoughts on Balance in the beginning of the season and gives them time to prove whether or not they actually know enough about the game to post or comment on things related to the balance of the game.

This makes it so more knowledgeable players can post and comment on things without having the lower elo player base that knows much less about the game skewing everything and causing ripples in the balance of the game. This would stop most of the circlejerking caused by lower elo players which fill the section with hundreds of meaningless "Nerf Yasuo" or "Gut Riven" or "Akali is still OP" or "Buff X Mage" that have peopel throwing out random statistics without knowing the context behind them.

We have seen this trend on this board throughout this whole season through things such as the never ending "Nerf Yasuo" threads or the endless buffs to Veigar due to QQ causing him to become completely bonkers, Lux buffs causing her already high winrate to spike up to the top of the charts, the juggernaut update coming out completely gamechanging op because people thought the updated champions were going to be gutted on release, random Assassin nerfs due to QQ, and so on and so forth.

The thing all of these trends have in common is that almost all of them have come from the less knowledgeable low elo circlejerk that doesn't really have a good grasp of what the game is like to have a realistic opinion on the matter. Without the low elo circlejerk cluttering everything up this board could be utilized for some great balance ideas that wouldn't be drowned out by the less knowledgeable playerbase.

Believe it or not It took me about 1000 ranked games to get from Silver to Gold a season or 2 ago and throughout my whole journey I thought to myself "Man I'm the shit I know everything about this game" when I honestly really didn't. I was under what is called the Dunning Kruger Effect which you can read about more by clicking on the link. When I finally reached Gold I realized that in fact wasn't "The Shit" and finally accepted the fact that I still had a lot to learn about the game. This is a big trend with the lower elo playerbase and you will really only to come realize this when you get to Gold+ elo because it's honestly pretty hard to see yourself as not the best at something you do because of human nature.

No TLDR for this post. Thanks for reading. Akali

26 Comments

Frost the Reaper3 votes

So because you aren't a Rioter, I will downvote you for even trying something like this. Sorry!

Akali is SO HOT2 votes

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Jbels3 votes

Yeeeah, this sounds like more elitist bullshit from the upper echelons of the ranked system, so I'm gonna politely decline and continue to post despite only carrying myself out of bronze into silver

Akali is SO HOT3 votes

It's not elitist bullshit though. Most higher elo players just know more about the game than lower elos. There are exceptions where people get to Plat+ just off of great mechanics alone but that is generally not the case. It's apparent that the majority of lower elo players wont' accept the fact that they don't really know enough about game balance to give a good opinion and resort to circlejerking each other instead to get their point across which skews actual discussion on this board. Again referring back to the Dunning Kruger Effect. They are in a sense "Too arrogant to realize that they are arrogant"

Jbels5 votes

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It's not elitist bullshit though. Most higher elo players just know more about the game than lower elos. There are exceptions where people get to Plat+ just off of great mechanics alone but that is generally not the case. It's apparent that the majority of lower elo players wont' accept the fact that they don't really know enough about game balance to give a good opinion and resort to circlejerking each other instead to get their point across which skews actual discussion on this board. Again referring back to the Dunning Kruger Effect. They are in a sense "Too arrogant to realize that they are arrogant"

I've said it before, I'll say it again. Ranking does not always determine who is qualified to have an opinion and who is not. First of all, everyone has a right to an opinion. Secondly, you can learn how the game works despite not climbing the ranked ladder. Most of what I know I've learned watching other more experienced players post about balance. I mostly looked up to CerealboxofDoom and JustMyBassCanon when I was starting out. I got to learn which threads were bullshit whining (having created a few myself at the time when I was new), and which ones had genuine knowledge. I'm still wrong about things from time to time, everybody is wrong about something sometimes. But getting back to the main point, it's wrong to shut people out just based on the fact that they don't have a golden badge. Some people just don't want to climb the ladder, it doesn't mean they don't know the game

Akali is SO HOT2 votes

That's the thing though I'm not shutting people out. I'm giving people 3 whole months after their first action on G&B to get to Gold which isn't a hard thing to do if you know enough about the game to get there. And even if they don't make it to Gold within the 3 months they still have a chance to get to Gold and post once they get there.

Honestly you really can't. I've watched tons of BoxBox, ICU, Scarra, QTpie, etc. and I have learned quite a bit from them but the thing is you really can't understand until you actually do it yourself. I can watch someone play baseball all I want but that doesn't mean I'll be really good at it right from the very start. I have to actually practice and improve myself to get better at it and more knowledgeable very similar to how getting better and more knowledgeable at the game leads to an increase in rank and obtaining Gold proves that you have learned quite a bit.

As for the "I don't want to climb the ladder" argument it just means people don't want to put in the effort to get better at this game. Sure you can improve your skills through normal games but you don't get a sense of actually understanding the game better until you play in a ranked environment. And honestly choosing to stay bronze or silver because you don't want to climb is no excuse when you can go 4/10 in placements and still get placed in Silver. Hell there was even a girl a while back that got to Gold playing with just her feet due to a birth defect. There is no excuse for not being Gold. Being Bronze for over 700 games just means you are bad at the game and don't understand how it really works.

That's the exact same way I was a few seasons back. It took me 1000 ranked games to get out of Silver. Sure I had a decent amount of game knowledge but I really didn't have a good grasp until I started climbing and getting better.

Jbels3 votes

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That's the thing though I'm not shutting people out. I'm giving people 3 whole months after their first action on G&B to get to Gold which isn't a hard thing to do if you know enough about the game to get there. And even if they don't make it to Gold within the 3 months they still have a chance to get to Gold and post once they get there.

Honestly you really can't. I've watched tons of BoxBox, ICU, Scarra, QTpie, etc. and I have learned quite a bit from them but the thing is you really can't understand until you actually do it yourself. I can watch someone play baseball all I want but that doesn't mean I'll be really good at it right from the very start. I have to actually practice and improve myself to get better at it and more knowledgeable very similar to how getting better and more knowledgeable at the game leads to an increase in rank and obtaining Gold proves that you have learned quite a bit.

As for the "I don't want to climb the ladder" argument it just means people don't want to put in the effort to get better at this game. Sure you can improve your skills through normal games but you don't get a sense of actually understanding the game better until you play in a ranked environment. And honestly choosing to stay bronze or silver because you don't want to climb is no excuse when you can go 4/10 in placements and still get placed in Silver. Hell there was even a girl a while back that got to Gold playing with just her feet due to a birth defect. There is no excuse for not being Gold. Being Bronze for over 700 games just means you are bad at the game and don't understand how it really works.

That's the exact same way I was a few seasons back. It took me 1000 ranked games to get out of Silver. Sure I had a decent amount of game knowledge but I really didn't have a good grasp until I started climbing and getting better.

Why does everyone have to climb? What's wrong with just playing the game and still getting to be a part of the G and B community? Look dude, you're going to have the shit posts. That's ALWAYS going to happen. Being in gold or higher is NO indication that you know what you're talking about, and there are people in the higher tiers that still don't understand things that they should have grasped years ago. yeah, there are some things you won't know unless you do it yourself, but there are alot of things that I know without having had to climb the ladder, and I learned it here.

This is the place that teaches those who don't know where the line is drawn when it comes to balance, or certain aspects of the game. We should be encouraging those of lower ranked standing and lesser knowledge to ask questions regarding balance here, but this entire forum has basically become rage/troll/shit posts versus "War on troll" posts like this one, with a few good threads sprinkled in between. If you want G and B to change for the better, giving people a time limit to earn their right to an opinion isn't the way to go. You should try to post useful information that helps those who don't know, like I try to. It's better than calling them stupid and claiming they have no place here unless they cn climb the ladder

Akali is SO HOT2 votes

That's what higher elos typically do aside form the ones that only reached Plat+ on mechanics alone. Again. In almost every case getting to Gold means you do have a good understanding of the game otherwise you wouldn't be there. Even if you can't post on G&B there is still a lot you can learn from the higher elo posts that do happen here. The problem is that this valuable information gets drowned out by the lower elo posts that get circlejerked to the top because they don't really know any better or they just don't want to improve. If you don't want to improve you should have no say in balance because it just skews the game.

I'm not preventing people from posting ever on this board. I'm giving them to chance to post for 3 whole months before locking them out and if they can't improve by then then they have shown that they haven't grasped a good amount of game knowledge and should not be able to post and skew game balance. You won't really understand what it means to understand the game until you get to at least gold no matter what you may think yourself. I understand this because I climbed all the way up to plat and now understand that I had almost no game knowledge while I was in silver.

Meep Man3 votes

TL;DR 50%+ of the community is unable to share their opinion.

Akali is SO HOT2 votes

I'm giving them 3 whole months after their first action to post their opinion. After the three months they shouldn't be able to skew balance discussion anymore until they learn enough to actually understand the game.

Jbels2 votes

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I'm giving them 3 whole months after their first action to post their opinion. After the three months they shouldn't be able to skew balance discussion anymore until they learn enough to actually understand the game.

Yeah except...do they actually affect Riot's decision in any way? When all is said and done, Riot has the final say, and it's usually not affected by the people who "skew balance discussion". I understand you're trying to create a perfect G and B forums, but Riot value's EVERYONE's opinions, not just gold+. If you think about it, YOU would be skewing Riot's data by doing this, as they would have no data sources for Bronze and Silver feedback, which they DO look at

Akali is SO HOT2 votes

Plat+ is where the game is meant to be played at not Bronze and Silver. As I said in the OP if you check the history of G&B it's almost nothing but "Nerf X champion I just lost to" threads from lower elo players because they choose to not get better at the game. Just look at the juggernauts. Low elo QQ about them made them all broken on release because Riot listened to all of the low elo complaints and it not only completely skewed solo q but completely changed world's as well.

Just because bronze players don't know how to deal with Akali and Zed doesn't mean they should be nerfed when they are in fact completely fine. Lux shouldn't be buffed just because Bronze players somehow don't win lane with her in 90% of situations. Bronze and Silver players are the one's skewing the game with their constant dumb complaints not higher elo players that actually know what they're talking about.

If you look on the front page a comparison is being made between Yasuo and Riven just because both of them have shields and it's getting completely circlejerk upvoted because low elo players have no idea how to deal with Yasuo and feed him like no tomorrow and would rather have him nerfed than get better at the game.

Jbels2 votes

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Plat+ is where the game is meant to be played at not Bronze and Silver. As I said in the OP if you check the history of G&B it's almost nothing but "Nerf X champion I just lost to" threads from lower elo players because they choose to not get better at the game. Just look at the juggernauts. Low elo QQ about them made them all broken on release because Riot listened to all of the low elo complaints and it not only completely skewed solo q but completely changed world's as well.

Just because bronze players don't know how to deal with Akali and Zed doesn't mean they should be nerfed when they are in fact completely fine. Lux shouldn't be buffed just because Bronze players somehow don't win lane with her in 90% of situations. Bronze and Silver players are the one's skewing the game with their constant dumb complaints not higher elo players that actually know what they're talking about.

If you look on the front page a comparison is being made between Yasuo and Riven just because both of them have shields and it's getting completely circlejerk upvoted because low elo players have no idea how to deal with Yasuo and feed him like no tomorrow and would rather have him nerfed than get better at the game.

Ok, you do NOT have the authority to say how the game SHOULD be played. This is a GAME. People decide how they want to play it, and you trying to enforce something like this is not ok. Fun is subjective, some people get their fun from climbing the ladder, others play the game causal but still know alot about it, you are NOBODY to point at people and say "You need to play the game like this" this isn't even your game, so I, as well as many other people most likely, would very much appreciate it if you would stop acting as such.

Akali is SO HOT3 votes

No it's a true fact. Plat+ is in fact where the game is actually played where it is meant to be. Plat is where most people have a good grasp on the game and know what to do depending on the current meta. In Silver and Bronze you can build AD on Kat or Akali or run a whole assassin or support comp but that is not how the game is supposed to be played. Down in Bronze and Silver the people who play there play nothing close to how the game is actually meant to be played based on the current meta.

Warding, adapting builds to situations, team cooperation, objective control, etc. Nothing of this happens in the majority of low elo games and you don't really see this until about Plat which is how the game is actually meant to be played. If you ask any high elo player most of them will agree with this.

For example, in your last few ranked silver games I see almost no upgraded trinkets, almost no wards bought/placed by anyone other than the support, awkward builds, and more. The game should not be balanced around players who don't know how to play the game. Just because people don't know how to play the game properly it doesn't mean that they should be given a say in balance changes because it's not fair to the people who actually know how to play the game. You may not like it but it's the truth whether or not you want to accept it.

Jbels1 votes

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No it's a true fact. Plat+ is in fact where the game is actually played where it is meant to be. Plat is where most people have a good grasp on the game and know what to do depending on the current meta. In Silver and Bronze you can build AD on Kat or Akali or run a whole assassin or support comp but that is not how the game is supposed to be played. Down in Bronze and Silver the people who play there play nothing close to how the game is actually meant to be played based on the current meta.

Warding, adapting builds to situations, team cooperation, objective control, etc. Nothing of this happens in the majority of low elo games and you don't really see this until about Plat which is how the game is actually meant to be played. If you ask any high elo player most of them will agree with this.

For example, in your last few ranked silver games I see almost no upgraded trinkets, almost no wards bought/placed by anyone other than the support, awkward builds, and more. The game should not be balanced around players who don't know how to play the game. Just because people don't know how to play the game properly it doesn't mean that they should be given a say in balance changes because it's not fair to the people who actually know how to play the game. You may not like it but it's the truth whether or not you want to accept it.

Then why don't you all go and start your own forum? This forum is for everybody. If you want a private one, why don't you just go make one? It's not hard

Akali is SO HOT1 votes

Because this is the league of legends forum.

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Lajneen6 votes

Good, 90% of the posts here are useless low elo nonsense anyway.

Neo Cyrus1 votes

That's a very kind way to put it.

Akali is SO HOT1 votes

It's the truth tho

Neo Cyrus1 votes

I know. I was serious, he put it as nicely as possible. "Nonsense" makes it sound a lot more... sane than the crap they actually post.

Sukishoo2 votes

Read the title, downvoted.

Thread is a joke /end

Akali is SO HOT2 votes

Not really lol

IAMS4T4N1 votes

what if the boards reads my main account as level 2 when its actually gold 2 and i have to use this one if i wanna post?

Akali is SO HOT1 votes

It happens when your account doesn't properly get synced with boards. For example, I was level 5 when I was actually level 30 Plat V. Send in a support ticket and have them sync your account to boards.

Akali is SO HOT1 votes

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Oerba No Naja1 votes

you could have call it : NO CANCER SILVER PLAYERS PLS IM DONE WITH YOU NOOBS i agree with you

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