Illaoi has counterplay

Big Lincoln··27 votes·7,013 views

Getting kind of tired watching potato top laners do everything wrong vs Illaoi, so if you're someone that's struggling with her or you're one of the people on boards claiming she's cancer, here are some tips beyond the obvious 'dodge her shitty slow skillshots'

E and W can be canceled by displacements. It's obvious for W, but not for E; if you hit her with a knockup or anything similar while her pull hasn't reach you yet, the entire spell will cancel. This is important; landing spirit grabs is what makes Illaoi win trades and 1v2/1v3 with ease. Q doesn't work this way; she can throw a Q if she's expecting CC, it will still hit that area; be wary.

If you get grabbed, and you can afford to fight her, move to the sides of any incoming tentacles about to hit your spirit. I'm genuinely surprised by how many people let Illaoi get double-hits on them by not just moving out of the way. If you have ranged harass or a DoT you can drop on her, even better; any of that stuff will massively reduce her chances of putting a vessel on you.

Illaoi is immune to displacements when she ults, but only on the way up. Don't be obvious with when you're going to try to InSec her, Mr Pro Lee. Bait her to ult first, then kick her. Works the same way with Singed flip, Flay, Janna's Q and R, etc.

If she lands a good ult and all your peel is on cooldown, the best thing to do is to spread out. Someone will probably die to her if their mobility/Flash is on CD, but it's far preferable to you getting close to whoever she's focusing and getting killed by her AoE. Pay attention to where Illaoi's moving; you'll know who she's gunning for. Don't try to be a hero; unless that person is more important than you are and it would be worthwhile to pull Illaoi's aggro to you, run away.

55 Comments

deadlychuck9 votes

Something else I see people screwing up a lot is the damned mini game trial...

People run around trying to dodge tentacles when they're already out of the fight, when all they really need to do is dodge the first one that spawns, stand next to it, and wait... Her passive only works at fixed, pre-defined positions, and each tentacle you come into range while you have the vessel debuff, will attempt to swing at you, but only when you first enter its range.

So how do you avoid dying after a fight with the debuff? Dodge the first one to spawn, stand next to it, and wait/recall -_-

Ariel the Cruel1 votes

Or.... kill it. KNow the next one will spawn in the same spot. Repeat. Free 30 gold.

deadlychuck5 votes

Except killing it means you have to dodge it again. Now it's not hard to dodge, and if you die to the very predictable tentacle, shame on you.

My point is that outside of the first swing, you really don't have to play the mini game.

Sir Fuzzi1 votes

Some dudes get stax for killing.

I wait for the spawn animation and just beeline straight away from it. They only hit walls, so stay relatively centered and prepare to veer off to one side. If you're Quinn and have a ranged auto you're even better off.

I know Garen gets his armor/mr passive stax, so, be a man and fight isn't a bad option. And hey, gold.

SlntReaper1 votes

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Ariel the Cruel1 votes

How to turn any game with a Susan from a 4v4 into a 4v5: item 3512.

Ralanr7 votes

People still think she has no counterplay?

Toastersaot4 votes

Little Tip for beating Illaoi as an AP Top: Get item 3151 .

If you get pulled by Illaoi, every instance of damage you do to her reduces the duration of the E spirit. So hit her with One spell with a Liandry's and watch the spirit disappear in just a few seconds.

3TWarrior1 votes

this might work...until level 6 where illaoi can use the spirit to summon 2 tentacles instead of just one and then just uses it to bolster damage

Illaoi mid actually likes squishy opponents because she can counterbuild them easily

Toastersaot1 votes

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this might work...until level 6 where illaoi can use the spirit to summon 2 tentacles instead of just one and then just uses it to bolster damage

Illaoi mid actually likes squishy opponents because she can counterbuild them easily

item 3151 is usually meant to be built on AP bruisers and slightly tankier Mid Range mages anyways. The only exception I can think of right now are the Mage Supports, and even then one of them (Malzahar ) has an obnoxious tank stat as his passive. Not only that, Illaoi definitely falls off late game, perhaps even more than Darius , who although kitable can Flash+E for some rather cheesy but still workable engage.

Sexy Jack Rabbit1 votes

Technically you're correct, but Liandries is most effective on Mages with High DPS, as opposed to just plain mid-range mages. You will get the most out of the item is you can consistently re-apply the passive.

Joxcab1 votes

Illaoi doesn't work in mid against any half-competent midlane player.

Funkin Dunkin1 votes

Illaoi mid is fun. Just as fun bot lane

WoonStruck1 votes

I always take DFT vs her.

Big Lincoln4 votes

I should add

Illaoi is extremely weak before level 3, and doesn't really become a bully until level 5. Champions who can all in her early can keep her out of the game. Keep in mind that if you don't kill her at least once and zone her, she will quickly take over the lane after level 6. Pantheon, Darius, Riven, etc can guarantee her flash or a death if they juke her E and fight her early

Sun Wu Ryuumoku4 votes

Keep in mind that if you don't kill her at least once and zone her, she will quickly take over the lane after level 6.

Kill her just once isnt enough

III BAKURYU III 3 votes

I read your post and it's excellent but I however still have trouble with her. It feels like her soul grab ability is up every 3 secs and you can either run while getting slowed/ lose hp and deal with 2-3 tentacles or fight her so she can ult and do massive damage.
Nice post tho, honestly

statelesskiller5 votes

here is further-tips for you.

Darius i find this champion has the best chance against illaoi for a number of reasons

darius has similar sustain against her. his W allows him to quickly dispatch tentacles at no cost because its reset applies to them. this can possibly bait illaoi into a situation where she doesnt have any tentacles and you can either outright kill her. burn her flash or get free damage onto her. because of his ult darius also has the ability to stop illaois low health sustain by just outright killing her, and pre 6 so long as you walk around her Q's and W tentacles you can fight her with ease. because of your DOT you also remove souls VERY fast. and with your pull you can interrupt her W's and pull her into places where she doesnt have access to tentacles

the most important thing i can tell you to do against illaoi though is BUILD. DEFENSIVE. rush chain mail, or hell rush a double chain mail. double chain mail is the most cost effective way of getting that amount of armor and you can build them into sunfire cape and dead mans plate. you never EVER want to rush a damage item or black cleaver against her because her base damages are so high you will throw your lead doing that

Funkin Dunkin1 votes

As an Illaoi player I love facing Darius. Most people don't use their brain however and don't build to the match but just go by what is "suggested". item 3025 on Illaoi is stupid strong in the right match ups. Typically is a great item vs Darius. Maxing W vs Darius combined with IG typically does great burst damage when he tries to go In on you while near her passives. Vs Darius rush IG, max W, and make sure you never fight without landing an E.

MunchCrunchLunch3 votes

am a good illaoi. I will never use my E until you are in melee range. what are you going to do about it? call our jungler and give me a double kill? literally even a tank will die before they run away from her ult range in lane. basically your either gonna die a lot in lane or lose your tower unless shes bad.

its not a discussion of op or not. its a discussion of lane interactivity where illaoi basically shuts down the fun the entire lane phase

Asayake 5150glow2 votes

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am a good illaoi. I will never use my E until you are in melee range. what are you going to do about it? call our jungler and give me a double kill? literally even a tank will die before they run away from her ult range in lane. basically your either gonna die a lot in lane or lose your tower unless shes bad.

its not a discussion of op or not. its a discussion of lane interactivity where illaoi basically shuts down the fun the entire lane phase

Riven I don't think I'll die before getting out of range.

MunchCrunchLunch2 votes

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Riven I don't think I'll die before getting out of range.

yeah but what good is a riven that can't snowball?

Asayake 5150glow2 votes

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yeah but what good is a riven that can't snowball?

She can still peel for carries with her knock up and stun, finish off low targets with R. Also, Riven outscales Illaoi heavily in a 1v1.

MunchCrunchLunch3 votes

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She can still peel for carries with her knock up and stun, finish off low targets with R. Also, Riven outscales Illaoi heavily in a 1v1.

lol? did you just say riven outscale illaoi in 1v1? how do you plan on killing an illaoi with 250 armor or so with your riven. build full squish armor pen?

Asayake 5150glow3 votes

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lol? did you just say riven outscale illaoi in 1v1? how do you plan on killing an illaoi with 250 armor or so with your riven. build full squish armor pen?

Utterly and completely.

Build: item 3071 item 3812 item 3033 item 3074 item 3047 item 3072 (replace BT with Sunfire Cape, GA, or Randuins if you want).

Playstyle: Dodge the tentacles. Harass with Q+W+auto or E+auto+(tiamat)+doublecast.

Keystone: Fervor for damage or Stormraiders. With Stormraiders, harass combo evolves into E+auto+(tiamat)+doublecast+auto+Q2+auto+Q3+auto (fast combo with doublecast at start.

Illaoi's 1v1'ing falls off to the point where I've outtraded her with Poppy, if I didn't let her E me. If you dodge the tentacles, that is.

MunchCrunchLunch2 votes

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Utterly and completely.

Build: item 3071 item 3812 item 3033 item 3074 item 3047 item 3072 (replace BT with Sunfire Cape, GA, or Randuins if you want).

Playstyle: Dodge the tentacles. Harass with Q+W+auto or E+auto+(tiamat)+doublecast.

Keystone: Fervor for damage or Stormraiders. With Stormraiders, harass combo evolves into E+auto+(tiamat)+doublecast+auto+Q2+auto+Q3+auto (fast combo with doublecast at start.

Illaoi's 1v1'ing falls off to the point where I've outtraded her with Poppy, if I didn't let her E me. If you dodge the tentacles, that is.

great. being a frontliner at the same time? you have to team fight at some point. and you won't get late game more than 20% of your matches

Asayake 5150glow1 votes

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great. being a frontliner at the same time? you have to team fight at some point. and you won't get late game more than 20% of your matches

No, no I don't. If I'm playing FIora I will never teamfight. This RIven build is the exact same.

Except since it gives a lot of AD, I can just play like an assassin, albeit with less damage than I would have an assassin build.

Also, none of the standard Riven builds are front line builds - the one I listed was the tank shred. The others are assassin and lifesteal bruiser, I'm not sure what lifesteal bruiser is, but it's kinda similar to tank shred, probably with a defensive item over LDR.

MunchCrunchLunch2 votes

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No, no I don't. If I'm playing FIora I will never teamfight. This RIven build is the exact same.

Except since it gives a lot of AD, I can just play like an assassin, albeit with less damage than I would have an assassin build.

Also, none of the standard Riven builds are front line builds - the one I listed was the tank shred. The others are assassin and lifesteal bruiser, I'm not sure what lifesteal bruiser is, but it's kinda similar to tank shred, probably with a defensive item over LDR.

fiora can actually build 2-3 tank items and wreck a tank and squishies alike. riven can't. also aoe heal for the team?

keep doing what your doing. stay bronze for the third season in a row. not my loss

Asayake 5150glow1 votes

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fiora can actually build 2-3 tank items and wreck a tank and squishies alike. riven can't. also aoe heal for the team?

keep doing what your doing. stay bronze for the third season in a row. not my loss

Fiora needs 3 damage items for optimal damage, btw. So 2 tank items.

Riven can, actually. She just needs to continue building AD without any tank items.

Sure. Ignore the 73% winrate, huh?

3TWarrior1 votes

lol, I did some math and a base illaoi build can do almost 8000 damage before her ultimate expires against 1 target

that's 8 seconds to be precise

riven can pull off her entire kit in that and do nowhere near that amount

Joxcab1 votes

If someone is enough of a fucking idiot to stand in her melee range for 8 seconds and get hit over and over, they should uninstall.

Riven can do her entire combo in around a second or barely over maximum.

3TWarrior1 votes

that's kind of the point

if her ultimate is available, do not go anywhere near her, meanwhile, her team can push a tower and her damage is relevant even if she can only cast Q, though at the same time, her E can deal 53% of her opponent's hp just on her base stats

Joxcab1 votes

Or just CC her after she ults and then kill her?

Asayake 5150glow1 votes

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lol, I did some math and a base illaoi build can do almost 8000 damage before her ultimate expires against 1 target

that's 8 seconds to be precise

riven can pull off her entire kit in that and do nowhere near that amount

That's why theres something called dodging.

Melledoneus1 votes

It takes one Riven catching out a squishy to snowball.

MunchCrunchLunch1 votes

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It takes one Riven catching out a squishy to snowball.

*insert more enemy is bad thus why its a viable strat

invisiblecat13 votes

People complain about how op her damage is literally click perpendicular to your champion and her Q is useless Same thing with E, but less of a wind up She has no mobility spell (Unless you consider her W "dash" mobility, but it is probably faster to walk than W) SO basically unless you walk into her she will not hit her ult on you

3TWarrior2 votes

actually, an illaoi can engage from up to 800 units away or around 1000 if ultimate hits the edge, then she can W for her tentacles

in one combo of her ultimate against a single player who manages to zone her spirit control, she can still hit with tentacles twice at twice normal tentacle swing speed

Joxcab1 votes

And if you get hit more than once collectively, you are bad. And if you ever get hit by more than two tentacles max at once, you are also bad.

Knoyle3 votes

She is literally one of the FAIREST lane bullies I have ever faced.

6Sfool2 votes

And that counterplay annoys the hell out of me. She's the most fun juggernaut I play, but my fantasy of her is her always on the frontline, sustaining through harass and dealing damage by coordinating tent slaps on champs going in to farm. Instead she hangs back and just e's every chance she gets. I'm fine with her e, but beating up a spirit over and over is just not all that fun to me. If they made her tent range ~100 units longer, her w uncancellable, and made her e into an all-in spell rather than pseudo-harass, I would have a lot more fun with her. Plus she'd be a bit less infuriating for melees without dot's.

Sexy Jack Rabbit2 votes

It's kinda of hilarious to me when people bitch about illaoi of all champions. Literally EVERY one of her abilities has a warning sign. Her Tentacles and Q have a giant rectangle of "Hitting here" (She's even says MOVE half the time) When she W's her Idol glows. When she E's it has a hefty travel time. Her Ultimate she literally jumps into the sky with a massive SFX and VFX playing when she hits the ground. The only part of her kit that COULD theoretically lack counterplay is her Ult + Flash combo, and all you are guaranteed to be hit by in that case is the initial touch-down damage.

Her entire kit prepares you for the damage she is going to inflict on you (Which is actually pretty fitting to her lore), so it's just hilarious to me when people complain about being killed by a champion who has done nothing but warn you.

Spoofghoul2 votes

My main beef with illaoi is how hard she shoves waves

it's like sion Q pre damage nerf, well its damage vs minions got nerfed at some point because you could just oneshot the incoming minion wave and so you could never fight him in lane due to him having a minion wave and you not having one

And you would constantly get shoved into your tower and lose cs or get tower damage, without there being any risk to to him because he didn't need to stick around to shove in that wave he just used q This got nerfed

Illaoi does the same thing with those stupid tentacles at an even lower manacost

yes shes useless later on as you can just walk out of her ult but she is retarded to deal with lane

not because there isn't ''counterplay'' but becasue there actually isn't counter play to something two and later one shotting entire minion waves so early in the game

Standgrounding2 votes

just gut her damage...

I'm not a Riven player to dodge all that stuff coming at me. Not a Yasuo player to crit her to death. Not a Fiora player to crit / vital her to death Not a Master Yi or Tryn player to lifesteal from her while she keeps biting the dust Hell, even when I play Darius and she is 0/5 she is still kinda hard to fight, because of her damage. Anything else except maybe Quinn and Teemo gets shit on vs her.

pls feed2 votes

its all well and cool, but when a tentacle hits you which didn't have an animation it will change your view of this transgender champ

Dragon Master1 votes

Vlad can ignore her and then outscale hard.

Sir Fuzzi1 votes

Build wounds for fuck's sake what the actual fuck half of her mechanic is healing %missing buy wounds god damnit

Executioner's is fucking 800g and applies wounds on all instances of physical damage. It practically plays itself on most top laners that aren't Nasus. Even then, her healing is a clutch mechanic, so Morello will probably do passably.

Vlad. Mundo. Garen. Illaoi. Darius. All of them have healing stank, all of them hate seeing wounds. And now Uncy Rito spoils us and makes the GW item an arpen item so it can cover more ground as less of a niche buy. Wounds is even back to ALL healing.

They couldn't make it any more appealing without making it virtually free.

Shrîke1 votes

Tldr: play Quinn.

And A Real Hiero1 votes

Yeah and it's called the Donger.

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Funkin Dunkin1 votes

I have a level 7 mastery on Illaoi and it has definitely allowed me to fight her smarter and more efficiently. Here's also what I've learned:

Illaoi is super vulnerable if she misses an E. E triggers her passive automatically which is what makes her ultimate so deviating. If she misses an E, go in. She literally loses half of her burst damage right there.

If she lands an E you have 3 options. 1) If you know she has no ult, you can fight of off the shadow. Mostly juggernauts can do this. 2) Kill the tentacle. Her passive is roughly 15 seconds before another one spawns. You just removed her W and passive E slam. 3) Simply run out of the area and take the slow. If you're good at dodging, you'll sustain no damage and get free gold.

Ganking her with any non-ranged jungle is not a good idea. Unless you can get to her before level 6, its 50/50 whether you kill her, or she gets a double. If you gank and she lands an E, run away immediately.

High mobility/displacement champions will always beat her. My favorite counter to her is Skarner . He has enough mobility to usually dodge her E, but if for some reason she does land one simply W out of there tanking all the shadow damage and start over. If she ults while toe to toe either W out of her ult, or ult her out of her ult. She won't do damage if she isn't near her spawn.

Teemo can beat her. That's right. Teemo. Avoid the Q's and blind her when she's trying to W your Shadow. Most of the time you can keep her off farm early and get enough of a lead that she won't be much of a threat after 6. Teemo also has the uncanny ability to kill her passive from a ranged distance so while she is blinded trying to hit your shadow, you kill her tentacle and prevent further damage.

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