skarner

khorney··1 votes·1,157 views

why riot reworked him in the first place is beyon dme he was perfectly fine. To tell you the truth he and uydr were more or less the exact same, minus skarner was better dur to he has more damage and his ult is better. But people will down vote and say skarner is op ..... have you played pre spire skarner? yes lets give him a useless stupid passive but we will allow his ganks to be a little bette rthen they were before.... but lets make his clear times slower yah thats super smart. Cool story riot lets make it so his passive was how his q used to be... but yes riot give him a little ad scaling that will solve issues ..... pfff umm no. The spires are prolly the most useless passive in the game period... i cant think of a worse one then his. He used to be my best jungler and really the only jungler i used a lot... now im like i want to play him then i do and im like screw this this mofo is weak. Cant split push cant clear very well ...relies on small areas of the map to be effective yet sadly enemies can capture them so ur giving them free gold and in turn making ur passive more useless........old skarner could aoe stun for days if u had tiamat ...qqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqq. for those of u who dont knwo let em explan every knows jinx? ill take that as a yes. Pretend powpow was how skarners q used to be awseome right....spire skarner would be say jinx has to hit her e in order to gain attack speed for 1 sec? tell whats stronger ? thats how skarner is now ? thanks for fcking up some of the very small hand full of champs i actuall like to play riot.

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21 Comments

Beldair2 votes

You may not like how Skarner is now, but there are quite a few whom do.

I've had no issues with split pushing or jungle clearing as reworked Skarner.. Yes I have played Skarner before his rework..and personally, I prefer the Spire Skarner.

Pre-reworked Skarner could not solo Drag at lvl 3, reworked Skarner can.

And I never saw a change in his damage all that much. In fact, with how I build him, I am Tanky and can dish out a lot of dmg.

khorney1 votes

seeing ive done drag at lvl 3. lets see solo better split push better do more damage ? how he is now he can barely do any of these

Beldair1 votes

Not really, it just means you aren't utilizing his new strength correctly.

khorney1 votes

i hate this skarner because he is immensly weaker then how he used to be and was like my favorite champ and the only jungler that i would with....i play him and im liek i remeber why i despise this weak asss mofo. how your arguing that his spires are good becuase he gains this and this and this..... my man its a small area of the map and his q well his old q did the exact same thing..... not sure how u thinkg the spires are bettter when its proven they are not but oklay

Beldair1 votes

How have they been proven they aren't?

You have only been stating your opinion, no facts or statistics.

Tormentula2 votes

To tell you the truth he and uydr were more or less the exact same, minus skarner was better dur to he has more damage and his ult is better.

Not really, they're two completely different champions. Udyr may have as much dueling power, but he also was better when it came to objectives thanks to tiger stance. Skarner both pre and post rework was great at dueling but he couldn't siege well. Also udyr had his full kit much earlier than skarner, who is ultimate reliant.

but lets make his clear times slower yah thats super smart

Spires gives him one of the fastest clear timers in the game. Not defending them as if they're good, but this statement is blatantly false. AOE Q+free attack speed+infinite mana+mobility around his jungle to get camp to camp makes his full clear timers significantly stronger than most junglers.

The spires are prolly the most useless passive in the game period... i cant think of a worse one then his.

Ahri Heimerdinger XinZhao Taliyah Nunu Nocturne

Actually noc's isn't that bad, its just lame for his champion design.

Pretend powpow was how skarners q used to be awseome right....

So skarner had ranged AOE auto attacks that could be switched for stacking attack speed without AOE damage?

Wow, back in those days runaan's skarner must've been the bomb.


I agree he needs an update but he's underestimated a lot. The issue with skarner isn't his identity or what he does, its just what he's good for in the current meta. There is so much mobility creep in league of legends right now its really hard for a skarner to do his job of catching somebody, its not like he can dash or blink to chase them, what he can't chase down on his own he ain't killing. They need to give him a way of dealing with mobility champions, a buff to his ultimate's range or removing the multiunit hit slow on his E would probably fix skarner.

The only issue is his playrate. He's not a horrible champion but he's just not a crowd favorite by design, and because his winrate is solid, its hard to buff him just for community appeal.

Beldair1 votes

^^

Well said.

khorney1 votes

clear times were faster before for starters.2 him and udyr could do the exact samething before....yah sure thing that u say that uydr was better at taking oject which may be a little true but if u got rh u wout classed uydr.... why becuase it turned ur q into a aoe machine clearing pushing power stun for every one item.

Tormentula1 votes

You're forgetting what old skarner had to deal with.

Like I said, skarner wasn't the issue, it was skarner's metagame that was always the issue.

Lets look at the top usage korean picks for this patch:

Top lane: Poppy Jayce Maokai Fiora Riven

Poppy is tanky af and skarner and his laner usually won't have the damage to kill her early, mid, or late game as she just runs away with increased movement speed. Jayce will just slap skarner away from him. Maokai isn't too bad for skarner to gank, actually see this as a top pick in korea surprised me. Fiora can parry his E pre-6, or save parry for his ult if she has the reflexes. Riven is another case of too much mobility for skarner to handle.

Mid Lane: Viktor TwistedFate Ahri Orianna Syndra

Viktor's W makes it tricky for skarner to actually catch him in a gank. TF brings ghost so he can actually outrun skarner, additionally gold card. Ahri is ahri, even if skarner makes the biggest outplay of his life, he can't outplay her just ulting away after he waste ult, and thats if he even catches her in the first place. Ori's shield makings dueling her risky, this ain't too bad for him otherwise but her bring ghost primary screws him. Syndra can just push him away, and because skarner is all in, she can just 100-0 him.

Jungle: I'm not gunna bother with this cause a) korea's jungle is way different from NA, b) I don't think I need to explain the difference between skarner and elise.

Marksmen: Ezreal Jhin Caitlyn Vayne Jinx

Skarner can't catch ezreal, jhin isn't too difficult for skarner, but he does have a slow and a snare. Cait has the kiting range and traps to really screw over skarner, its less about catching cait and more about if you can actually 1v1 her with skarner. Vayne same deal as cait but you might not even catch her. Jinx is exploitable, just her E is a roadblock.

Support: Thresh Karma Blitzcrank Alistar Nami

Stuns, knockups, lanterns, skarner can't catch their ADCs easily.


As you can see, there's nothing pre or post rework skarner can catch. You can say "well pre-rework skarner had perma stun" my point is to say in this meta, there is no walking up to people for the perma stun, and for post rework, there is no walking up to people for the ult E stun. This meta is about being able to get onto people easily, and then stick to them and 100-0 them before they can react or move.

This is why Zac Sejuani are so good compared to Skarner, they can go over a wall and AoE stun a team to lock them down, they're hard to telegraph or predict their engage. Skarner has to literally give the enemy a high five inorder to engage a fight and everybody see him coming. He's not consistent or as effective in what he does.

Skarner isn't BAD though, he can easily flash ult somebody, and there's the game in his hands. Sej and Zac are mostly peel for their team but if their team isn't doing well, they'll lose the fight. However skarner has the stuns, shields, and damage to hyper carry with his engages, often doing most of the damage when ahead. Its just a matter of him being useful consistently, you won't see a 0/5 skarner do a good engage running in with few items, but a 0/5 sej or zac will sure as hell make an impact in teamfights still since they can get on people without much to stop them.

A level 3, which would you rather have. A Skarner running into bot tower to stun people as they CC him, or Zac who can just E directly on them with little reaction time and get out alive? Its just not a good meta for skarner with him being weaker than other champs that do his job better, he's just good for what he does but not better than other stuff.

khorney1 votes

exactly skarner has no presence beyond 6.and this clear times and object control is stupid. Meta now is early ganks early lead. which is why lee sej zac are good becuase they can . alot of other junglers cant. Prework skarner damage was higher and could deal with late game better. He cant run in there on a good enage he is or has ww syndrome where he needs his ult and such and isnt good beyond that. He needs more movement speed he needs the rework undone. If i had a couple items ill run in there and 1v2 easy but again thats a couple items. but sadly i cant play as skarner becuase he is to weak compared to how he used to be and i cant get over it

Beldair1 votes

Then don't play him. Others like Skarner and are happy with him.

khorney1 votes

i dont play him i tried to the other day and remember why i do not liek him

Beldair1 votes

Then leave it at that and go play a different jungler.

DJMason881 votes

When you show evidence of why he probably got reworked.

khorney1 votes

lol why becuase he was stronger ?

Beldair1 votes

No, because few played him.

He is now a juggernaut and a fairly good one at that.

khorney1 votes

he was before and was better before... i 2v5 there team and nasus had liek 800 stacks.

Beldair1 votes

And people 1v5 teams right after the rework, hence why they had nerfed him.

khorney1 votes

sure u have.

Beldair1 votes

I have...

Beldair1 votes

I've 1v5 a team as reworked Skarner.

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