Why Veigar's Dark Matter (W) Will Not Be Buffed

DrCabes··3 votes·699 views

Everyone knows Veigar is in a awful spot due to his rework and some people seem to think that a buff to grey matter (his w) will put him in a better spot. If Veigar's W gets buffed so that it can land on targets without stunning them or even if it's only when they're trapped in his event horizon, Veigar could be even BETTER then before he was nerfed. It used to be you had to stun to land that skill because it deals massive aoe damage, but if you remove the necessity to stun then it can easily become overpowered. If they do make the W landable without a stun then they would have to nerf its damage which could hurt Veigar even more.

I personally think that a simple change to his E could solve all of Veigar's problems. Make his event horizon appear instantly on the single point of the horizon closest the him when he casts it and over .75 seconds it gradually forms around the edges to the far side. This would make the stun usable to punish players that run to close and actually allow you to defend yourself without being able to stun people from far distance.

Also, making the Q a single target spell so you can actually harass the other laner would help bring him back as well. If not that then the Q should go through minions and be able to hit at least the first champion on top of damaging two minions. As the Q is now you can't harass with it against a competent laner.

13 Comments

Rinky Dinky5 votes

He was SUPPOSED to be better after his changes.

Alot of people do not seem to understand that.

They did not want to nerf veigar

Sailor Mint2 votes

49% win rate in 5.6

Looks like the recent changes helped.

Rinky Dinky1 votes

They did.

His buffs were really nice.

All he needs is a w or E tweak and he will be golden

Edit: Someone is already downvoting you. Salt OP. I got you bruh.

Seriously tho

DrCabes1 votes

His "buffs" was removing his ability to harass with his Q and the removal of his ability to stun thus nullifying his W. No buffs at all

Rinky Dinky1 votes

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He was SUPPOSED to be better after his changes.

Best Darius KR4 votes

If Veigar's W gets buffed so that it can land on targets without stunning them or even if it's only when they're trapped in his event horizon, Veigar could be even BETTER then before he was nerfed.

WASN'T THAT THE WHOLE POINT?!

DrCyanide3 votes

An ability with 100% scaling that never hits doesn't do any damage. An ability with 0% scaling that always his does damage.

I'd be OK with the ratios on W being dropped in exchange for a better way to land it.

Big Lincoln3 votes

Malzahar Chogath Brand

all have an AoE ability with high base and ratio. two of them have CC attached, one adds a % HP dot and leads into a combo/does even more damage

Veigar has only damage. speeding it up/reducing the delay to be on par with these guys won't break him.

WarlockLaw3 votes

No matter what they do unless they give him back his instant stun his w will be almost as worthless of a spell as wild cards is on ad twisted fate

Malix Farwin1 votes

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No matter what they do unless they give him back his instant stun his w will be almost as worthless of a spell as wild cards is on ad twisted fate

wild card could at least proc triforce or give the enemy the illusion of the need to dodge it lol

Rinky Dinky1 votes

Not really

A W buff would make him fine.

Malix Farwin2 votes

Um he was suppose to be better, not nerfed rofl. As it stands right now if someone buys merc threads the only thing you can reliably hit them with is R during stun. They can even do something simple like reducing the speed only while cage is down and it would help a lot

SIayton1 votes

Put a slow on Q. Problem solved!

Or just slightly speed up dark matter lol. I like your idea about the circle appearing faster closer to veigar though.

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