Can you stop making broken champs?

dEAdbUs·Oct 14, 2015·9 votes·766 views

Juggernauts after Ekko, Kindred after Juggernauts. This season is worst season ever.

36 Comments

KaminoXOct 14, 20152 votes

you forgot one Tahm Kench

ZebeknOct 14, 20151 votes

Would have to agree. This season is really awful. If they don't pick up the pieces and make next season amazing I will probably be leaving league. I love how their solution to any champ that is underpowered currently is to go: heres more damage! problem solved. same goes for nerfing champions. For example: lee sin is way too mobile and is too easy to snowball games with? take away a little damage from his kit. problem solved?

Drunk TsundereOct 14, 20151 votes

"I literally want the same meta for months on months with nothing changing"

Seriously whenever a new champ comes out, they can be totally fair (Like Kindred) but anyone who is good, silver surfers and bronze bears will say it is broken.

dEAdbUsOct 14, 20151 votes

My D1 brother saying that Kindred is broken. I was Plat 4 in prev season and Gold 1 in this one. Kindred is broken - nuff said.

Spicy RiceOct 14, 20151 votes

So, uh, why exactly are you and your esteemed brother believing is broken in kindred?

dEAdbUsOct 14, 20151 votes

Me and brother are playing for long time, and know that practicing with champions takes time. Then how we are crushed with our main champions by players who picked Kindred for first time?

If you can pick champions and kill experienced players with their mains - that means something.

Btw Kalista has second pick/ban rate as ADC on Worlds - means she may be nerfed sood. Kindred is a champion of same kind.

dEAdbUsOct 14, 20151 votes

Yeah minus, because you can't say anything else.

RalanrOct 14, 20151 votes

Because if it looks good on paper then it looks balanced in game.

Guys (people of the boards, not riot) very few things aren't broken upon release. It's not even the scalings half the time, rather it's an entirely new strategy that we aren't accustomed to yet.

dEAdbUsOct 14, 20151 votes

Bard was getting buff after buff, Tahm - same situation.

You didn't need to know strategy to understand that Ekko is broken (jump over wall, kill my adc and then ult back). Same with Kindred - this mix of Kalista and Ekko is just frustrating to play against. And while now, when Ekko's numbers tuned, we can play against him - dodging his skills, there is nothing to dodge from Kindred - its just kite machine.

RalanrOct 14, 20151 votes

Kindred was built to kite. That's how she survives jungle monsters.

And I said few, Bard got a few buffs and Tahm was treated well. Kindred just came out, I'm sure there are ways around her.

And the argument that "X champion + X champion is frustrating" is basically arguing against champion synergy. Which is a big point in a team game.

dEAdbUsOct 14, 20151 votes

So what? Lets make champion with 1 hp and 1000000 damage - he could oneshot anyone, but will be oneshotter either, so he needs that huge damage just be able to clear jungle - kill monsters before they will kill him.

This kind of argument is bulls##t.

RalanrOct 14, 20151 votes

You just described Leblanc.

dEAdbUsOct 14, 20151 votes

Riots said many times: "We know that LB is frustrating to play against". But LB is from old period of game. Many champions are reworked, and LB probably will be once.

RalanrOct 14, 20151 votes

Everyone can be frustrating to play against!

dEAdbUsOct 14, 20151 votes

Can be, but it's not. I'm pretty sure that you have some match up that you hate. LB always was and guess will be for long time unpleasant matchup for me .

RalanrOct 14, 20151 votes

Yes, it's subjective.

RogueWillOct 14, 20151 votes

You are leaving out the flops thou Bard still see poor play on anything that is not organized, TahmKench stil can't find itself, is it a jg? is it atop laner? is it a support? Azir released full of bugs that made him unplayable

dEAdbUsOct 14, 20151 votes

Imho thats a good releases - because this champions weren't crushing my game just after release, so I didn't need to permaban them. People learned them, they get some buffs, and they're ok picks. Do you think it could be better if Tahm could have numbers that he had on PBE? And after weeks of being banned, numbers get tuned down?

PlsTouchMeGentlyOct 14, 20151 votes

lolll, Kindred is not broken. Stop QQing and learn how to play against them.

dEAdbUsOct 14, 20151 votes

Mb Kindred players must learn how to play Kindred first and only then kill other champions with it, no right in first game they picked Kindred?

RalanrOct 14, 20151 votes

And people need to learn how to counter Kindred so they have a better chance of not getting killed by them.

It's a vicious cycle. Kindred will probably be nerfed.

dEAdbUsOct 14, 20151 votes

Kindred is countered same way as Kalista - pick Malph or Annie and burst her down before she reacts. But if you don't have hard targeted CC - then suffer.

RalanrOct 14, 20151 votes

Another reason to keep targeted cc.

dEAdbUsOct 14, 20151 votes

How many do we have targeted stuns in game? 2? Annie and Taric?

RalanrOct 14, 20151 votes

Pantheon. Not sure who else.

dEAdbUsOct 14, 20151 votes

Panth stun is almost melee - tried to play him vs Kindred today, he - sucks. Kindred can stay out of his stun range. Her heal is enough to ignore Panth's Q. So really good Kindred will eat Panths on breakfast.

RalanrOct 14, 20151 votes

I think his stun range is the same as Taric's.

MrMisMatchOct 14, 20151 votes

Lol people always need to complain. Killing kindred is easy. Use a gap closer. She is like a marksmen. Get on her and she will die. And if she ults to try to even it out save your burst for when it's done.

dEAdbUsOct 14, 20151 votes

I've met Kindred tank today (only Sated and Botrk for damge - the rest is tank items), but she was top damage in both teams anyway. Not so marksmen as I see.

MrMisMatchOct 14, 20151 votes

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I've met Kindred tank today (only Sated and Botrk for damge - the rest is tank items), but she was top damage in both teams anyway. Not so marksmen as I see.

Well if they build that they are basically a quinn top lane. It can be worked around. And devour Bork is huge damage on almost any champ

SquidsmastahOct 14, 20151 votes

The only reason certain champs are considered broken is because most people don't know how to counter them. Just how many people know Zyra is a hard counter to Heimerdinger? From my experiences, a high-mobility champion can easily deal with a Riven. You breathe on Katarina and she dies. It's not the champions themselves, it's the player now knowing how to play against them.

dEAdbUsOct 14, 20151 votes

You are not right, at least because Katarina was nerfed 5 patched in a row. Zyra is not that hard counter to Heimer (800 games with Heimer in rankeds). What mobility you need to have to get away from Riven? As I know Riven is one of most mobile champions in game - pls tell me who is faster, especially toplaners.

I heard that "it's not champions, it's players" thousands times, but champions get nerfs, so some champions are stronger anyway.

SquidsmastahOct 14, 20151 votes

For Riven

Zac Fizz Kalista JarvanIV Elise Gnar Corki Aatrox

At least that's how it's been for me.

I've seen a video of pre-release all for one of Zyras beating the shit out of Heimers.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=afLTUv3LthU

SquidsmastahOct 14, 20151 votes

BTW, it IS players now knowing how to counter the champs. How many pro player shave you seen calling champions like Riven, Darius, or Katarina OP and/or broken just due to the overall strength of those champs?

dEAdbUsOct 15, 20151 votes

In last interview C9 toplaner said that Dari is OP, but he's less banned than Morde, because ppl know how to play around him.

Mister MackeyOct 14, 20151 votes

While kindred as a whole is not broken imo, there is 1 tiny thing that to me is a bit excessive. It's the 2s mini flash that yes you can jump over walls with. And it being a normal ability. Like yes Ahri's ult lets you go further but has a hefty CD.