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Again unfun picks on All-Stars

dEAdbUs··20 votes·1,963 views

Team Fire

  • Alistar
  • Darius
  • Fiora
  • Braum
  • Lee Sin

Team Ice

  • Thresh
  • Anivia
  • Ashe
  • Graves
  • Azir

Watch random VOD from from pro scene and with 100% you'll see game with Thresh or Lee Sin. Community didn't use their chance to see intresting picks.

57 Comments

BetaDude407 votes

It's better than last year's

Team Ice: -Thresh -Vayne -Anivia -Lucian -Lee Sin

Team Fire: -Thresh -Ezreal -Zed -Lucian -Lee Sin

At least this year it isn't a practical mirror match. Still pretty boring though

Stillname6 votes

The teams are boring yes but not just in the way that you are saying. Team Fire is a full melee team and team Ice is a very anti-melee team comp that is all ranged. Team FIre had little to no chance of winning.

The common theory is that China has the largest playerbase by far and since the votes weren't weighted by region they picked the best team comp for their team and a team comp that couldn't win for the Korean players.

Elipo3 votes

You are a genius

dEAdbUs3 votes

You can vote for champions, not for team composition, so I think it happened accidentally.

Handin Out Naps4 votes

A lot of low pick rate champs are borring to watch tbh, may be an opinion but I'm sure it's shared by others. What made this boring was how balantly unfair the teams were.

Ulquiorra9951 votes

But I'd rather watch a low pick champ once even if they are boring than "fun" champions like Lee or Thresh for the 100th time doing basically the same stuff over and over again.

dEAdbUs2 votes

You can minus me but UoL has huge fan base because they prefer unusual picks.

I want to see how pros will adapt, not how they will play their everyday picks.

warpenguin5554 votes

sigh this community is so bad at this. Hell i tried to get faker on galio

kaltenashes2 votes

at least we secured the diana skin

warpenguin5551 votes

{quoted}

at least we secured the diana skin

true

dEAdbUs2 votes

I wanted fire satan teemo skin :(

kaltenashes1 votes

me 2, but he has like 1000 skins

dEAdbUs2 votes

Half of them recolors xD

kaltenashes1 votes

just 3 recolors-like skin happy elf,badger,scout he still has 6 more.... plus i really dont wanna buy another skin for him, i already have omega squad

ZT Xperimentor3 votes

Yup, yet another snooze-a-thon; why don't they try playing the least picked champions?

dEAdbUs5 votes

I don't know. Community is a mistery for me now. I don't understand people I guess.

Spizzle90003 votes

Because a lot of the least-picked champions are things like Yorick, Urgot, Galio, Maokai, etc. The majority of people didn't want to see these champions played and wanted to see champions that they play used by the pros so maybe they can learn something or whatever. The majority rules, and do you honestly expect the majority to just serve the whims of the minority?

ZT Xperimentor2 votes

These supposed pros can make plays with any champion if they put their mind too it. But they're bought off by sponsors and riot for advertising. Just watch the differences between season 1&2 championships compared to 4&5. They can make plays with anyone as long as they coordinate, but they won't. And no I don't have such expectations, because I've watched the decline for several years, and this more or less describes how I feel . . . https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nxAabW7JfTQ

Spizzle90002 votes

Already heard that song, which is fairly accurate. But what I meant was that the players wanted to see how the pros play the champions they use, and a lot of people use the popular champions. I fail to see how the pros are bought off by sponsors and Riot. They just use the champions that they are best with that are the strongest for the situation they're in.

ZT Xperimentor1 votes

Indeed, but that's also the sheep that are afraid to play anything that isn't meta either. If riot wanted to change the meta, they would've encouraged these pros to do so, instead of burying mordekaiser.

Spizzle90001 votes

Okay, so, people sometimes talk trash about people who use off-meta champions. I'm not doing that. You're doing that, except to people who play meta champions. Is it a crime to play a champion you enjoy even if it is meta??? No. Perhaps the meta champions are just more fun to play or are better designed (at least some of them)? If Riot wanted to change the meta, they would have, but they would do that mostly by buffing or nerfing champions instead of telling the pros to use other ones.

You're the one who in your previous post said that Riot buys off the pros for advertising and stuff, and now you're saying that Riot should buy off the pros to play non-meta champions??? The hypocrisy is preposterous, and I fail to see what Mordekaiser has to do with this. They screwed him up, yes, but I fail to see how this is relevant. His kit was ridiculously toxic after the rework and that's why he was buried. They should just fix him by reworking his rework.

Honestly though, Riot doesn't exist to pander to the minority of players who like off-meta things. They shake up the meta every few patches when they want to and make whichever class dominant when they want to. It's their game and they may do as they wish, and what they wish is to make money and attract more players, and you do that by catering to the majority, not the minority.

ZT Xperimentor1 votes

You misread & misunderstand; I want off-meta picks because the meta is boring as hell. Riot attempted to change it, but in a flawed direction only partially reworking 2 champions (skarner & mordekaiser). It would've been more effective if they had reworked several different varieties into other rolls instead of just 2; more options to play and more places to play them. But skarner has always been a jungler/top laner, and riot's rework again didn't change that. Mordekaiser was a top lane & mid lane bully against anyone foolish enough to stand still, but they reworked him to go bottom lane as an anti-adc, which is the flaw in design. Most of the ranged physical carries have builtin either cc or mobility (caitlyn, jinx, vayne, lucian, graves, ext), but they nerfed mordekaiser rather hard and without any compensation aside from the ghost dragon gimmick. Now yes it's taken more patches for them to do anything about it, but nothing noticeable. To spell it out, they gutted his stats, but slightly bumped his scaling.

-http://boards.pbe.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/champions-gameplay-feedback/KhcvQBlG-mordekaiser-change-summary-feedback-thread -http://na.leagueoflegends.com/en/news/game-updates/patch/patch-522-notes#patch-marksman-updates -http://na.leagueoflegends.com/en/news/game-updates/patch/patch-523-notes#patch-champions

But you and your extra accounts continue to downvote without reading between the lines. It's just a speculation of mine that they payoff the pros; and the second comment was that if they did, they should do so in that fashion. I cannot facepalm hard enough from your lack of connection. They wanted him to change up the meta, but it lasted only a couple weeks, then both his pick rate & win rate fell through the floor, with the usual meta teams returning as the standard. And I agree, his rework was a total failure and should either be reverted or reworked again.

Lately riot doesn't even pander to the community, people are leaving from the escalation of imbalance over the past season, and they're turning a blind eye to it. I still play, but not nearly as much as I used to; stomp-fests are more dull than the previous season's meta.

Spizzle90002 votes

Well, before you start your reply, what is your definition of the meta? Maybe that's what I misunderstood, but I believe you're referring to the current structure of how games are and which roles typically go where. If so, then it's you who finds the meta boring. Some people don't. I agree that people are sick of stomp fests, but a good amount of that happening is because of towers being borderline useless now. A lot of people like the structure of assassins or mages (some bursty fighters too) in mid, tankier champions top, generally fighters or tanks (some mages like Fiddle or Elise or Diana, although Diana and Elise are kinda fighters) jungle, ADC and supp bot.

People like structure. That's not what most are tired of. The majority of people are tired of the stomp fests, and structure has almost nothing to do with that. Yes, Mordekaiser's rework failed miserably, but I credit that to him having no gap-closers or CC to actually be able to hit the ADCs or supports.

I don't have any extra accounts, although since you assume so, I suppose that just means I'm not the only one with opinions like mine. Perhaps I misread, but I really don't think Riot pays the pros to play champions that Riot likes the most. Riot makes the pros do that without paying them by making some champions stronger than others (cough cough Lee, Thresh, Yasuo, Vayne cough cough).

I think they buried Mordekaiser because they didn't feel like re-reworking him. That's just me, but personally I think without some major changes to his lack of gap-closer or CC, then they can nerf his numbers so he isn't completely feast or famine (unless the idea is high-risk, high-reward, but I think the amount of that that he had immediately after the rework was insane).

ZT Xperimentor2 votes

More or less yes, you described the meta how I would; and I thought it was obvious that it was my opinion about it being boring. I know plenty of people like familiarity too; it's how swain's win rate sky rocketed for a week, because next to no-one was used to playing against him. I'm tired of the meta because I've been playing it for years, with little change beyond the occasional weird team composition. It's part of why I like aram, you usually get to see interesting teams that would probably get flamed in normal rift games.

While I find it impressive mordekaiser was even able to compete against conventional physical ranged carries; I'd chalk it up to him having an amazing support. Someone that can either set him up well, or defend him significantly (like leona, braum, ext).

I agree they influence pro games by purposely leaving the game stilted in favor of a few obviously powerful champions; it was a conspiracy theory that they pay them off at all. Either way, it's why I rarely bother to watch them; I see them more than plenty on my own games, why would I want to watch someone else suffer that same thing?

Again I concur, it was painfully obvious they didn't try when just a little over a month later, they reveal poppy to be almost an entirely new champion. Doesn't help that they gave him to the guy known for making some of the most frustrating champions; I don't hate the guy, he just needs to learn to spread his ideas out across several champions instead of overloading a few.

Spizzle90002 votes

Ah, fair enough. I clearly misread that post then. I'm really good at that when I'm tired. After years and years, I'd get tired of the meta too, but I'm still relatively new. Only been playing a year and a half.

The idea that a melee champion with no easily accessible gap-closer or cc ability would succeed as a carry in bot lane is an absolutely preposterous belief, which is probably the worst thing CertainlyT has done. I actually like some of his work, unlike many.

I really am sick of how Riot leaves a few champions consistently powerful, while the rest have to take turns being FotM champions after Riot buffs them, then nerfs them a few weeks later. I honestly don't know why everything can't just be balanced as much as possible. Honestly, the more I think about it, the more I wouldn't be surprised if a decent amount of pro play is set up or staged, or at least the team comps.

I never watch eSports. While I do like to play LoL, I don't really find it enjoyable to watch someone else play it. I'm not an artist or a critic who can enjoy that sort of dogmatic experience or easily appreciate something that I'm merely spectating rather than actually affected by.

I wish they would revert the Mordekaiser rework. I wasn't a huge fan of his back then, but he was definitely more enjoyable than he is now. But yes, CertainlyT does have a bit of a problem with overloading kits or trying to fit all of his ideas into one champion. But, unlike most, I really don't have that much of a problem with Yasuo. I have a problem with crit as a whole.

ZT Xperimentor2 votes

Ahh yeah that happens, I do that when drunk, so I make it a point not to visit the forums in such a state. Indeed, I've been playing for just about 5 years; and that makes more sense on your viewpoint then.

Hmm, I can understand that, I like thresh, but find yasou a pain. I concur their blatant favoritism is getting old though; a few years ago they were planning on reworking leesin because he was too strong as a jack of all trades, but they didn't because of community backlash; then they reworked sona and again the community was nearly entirely against it, but riot did it anyway. I hadn't thought of the games being staged, but that makes more sense then them being bought off.

I started playing league because I was tired of my roommate obsessing about football; I can't stand sports, and got a nagging feeling when riot started promoting their championships in season 3. Obviously their greed and fascination with 'playmakers' has been their running gag since then, much to my disappointment, and why I don't bother watching esports either.

I agree mordekaiser's rework should be reverted; though he was a champion I liked to occasionally play when I didn't want to micromanage with rumble, or juggle mana with darius. I was hoping they would remove critical hits like they did with dodge (as it was an RNG mechanic), unfortunately they enforced it into a necessity, otherwise you get ran over. It's always been a problem that physical assassins (talon, zed, rengar, ext) abuse carry items, and yasou is the floodlight on this problem that riot continues to ignore.

Since CertainlyT (and a few others he might've influenced) champions have the paradoxical trait they they are usually a blast to play, but often frustrating to play against. He seems like he should be making content for different games; like items/bosses for legend of zelda, or characters for final fantasy, or anything in-depth and detailed that isn't PvP related.

Spizzle90002 votes

I do believe the vast majority of people who know me would consider me to be in a permanent state of sobriety, although I act and typically speak like I'm completely drunk. :D

I am a fan of Thresh, but seriously Riot needs to stop making love to Yasuo. Maybe they could, I don't know, add a few AP items so there's more than like 3 builds for AP carries? Then again it's kinda the same with AD carries. . . I just really don't like ADCs in generally because I personally find them to be the most boring class of champions; almost all they do after a certain point is right click you.

I honestly have no idea if the games are staged, but it would explain why some teams are consistently better than others, such as SKT, similar to John Cena in the WWE (although I don't watch it, but from what it sounds like, it's 100% staged and just a reality show with wrestling). I don't mind sports until people start obsessing and ranting about them and then I just want to cut a bitch.

I do understand their love of playmakers, but the most recent big play-making champions they've released have been pretty meh after the initial OP period, for instance Ekko. Not to mention how royally they screwed up on making an AP assassin which is obvious as I rarely see him, and when I do, it's in the jungle either going tank or on-hit effects/bruiser.

I did enjoy playing Mordekaiser on occasion before the rework, and honestly I have never been a big fan of mana. I'm ashamed to say it, but I basically main Vladimir, Zed, and even sometimes Yasuo (the shame).

I think they haven't removed crits because of how deeply ingrained they are in LoL and how difficult it would be to compensate all of the champions that rely on crit, especially Yasuo and every ADC. I think I wouldn't have as much of a problem with crits if they weren't so damn strong and so rewarding for being lucky.

CertainlyT has imagination and creativity, but unfortunately playing against his creations is often hell. But, I can never forgive Volty for Vayne.

ZT Xperimentor1 votes

Pfffhahahaha, reminds me of my impersonation of a lunatic for a college play, I was almost turned down because they thought I was drunk. XD But on a more serious note, I only drink once a month, and just a few beers at that, I like being able to think clearly.

I concur entirely; it's why I avoid playing most ranged carries (physical or magical) because they have the most stale build paths. ''Hmm pick 6 of 7 items to win, otherwise you are useless'' this kind of gameplay is dull and simply boils down to whether you or your opponent can build them first. It's why I prefer bruisers, tanks, & supports as they can have the most flexible builds without getting flamed or steamrolled for it. Yet riot continues to pick favorites more obviously each year, despite to our growing discontent.

I've no idea about them either, nor am I familair with wrestling (aside from a couple silly jokes). But nearly my entire family is obsessed with football and coffee; and I've taken a liking to neither. It's why I play video games because they aren't like sports, though with league trying to cross the line, i doubt I'll follow it.

I see that too, kalista became next to unplayed after her hype wore off. However I'd like to point out any champion can be a play-maker if given the tools/capacity to do so; yet riot keeps imitating the government by taking from the poor to give to the rich.

As far as I'm concerned, there's nothing to be ashamed about. I mained blitzcrank top lane through season 1 & 2; before he got relegated to the support lineup, as the reliable counter to poke centered champions. If I'm playing a game that's relaxed (custom or something) then I'll stack mana regeneration items just to be able to spam abilities. I'm talking a grail, rod of ages, & nomicon lol.

That's what was thought about dodge, it was commonplace since the beta (as it was an option in masteries, runes, and items), but removed in season 2 because it was RNG & frustrating. Jax & sivir were reworked during this system-wide overhaul as their kits centered around it; and players were given RP as compensation for their runes being deleted. Hopefully with riot's massive buffs to critical, they'll see it's the same problem with just as simple of a solution. I'm not saying it'd be easy, I'm just saying the fix should be similarly implemented.

I agree they have some interesting creativity, but there's roughly a dozen champions that I can't stand to play against. And it seems most other plays feel the same way, though with different champions, I suppose it's bound to happen with triple-digit champions.

Spizzle90002 votes

xD Most people seem to find me insane. But, I acknowledge my oddities, so I suppose that makes me sane and just eccentric. I'm not old enough to drink, and even if I were, given my family's history and genetics, I'd probably become an alcoholic easily, so I suppose I should avoid it.

I do like Vladimir, but partially because of his versatility. He can build pretty much anything so long as it is either a tank item or an AP item, or, what I like to do, a lot of AP items with health or defensive stats. The staleness of ADCs and most mages is really quite awful though.

I honestly fail to see why people think video games should be recognized as a sport. I do agree that they take skill and dedication to do well in (usually), but it's not an athletic event. It's like more entertaining chess imo.

Agreed, but they like to keep most champions at mediocre or below mediocre, so it's difficult for most champions.

I suppose you have a point, but generally people find all of my favorite champions absolutely infuriating to play against, although I've always enjoyed playing against Vladimir or Zed, and roughly half of the time against Yasuo.

It would definitely take some work, but Riot could do it if they tried.

There are about 10-ish champions I loathe, and I'd say it'd be Vayne, Riven, Lee Sin, Tahm Kench, Teemo, Annie, Mundo, Vi, Volibear, and I can't think of any more atm.

ZT Xperimentor1 votes

Everyone has some kind of quirk; I look at it like this, normality is a myth. Some people are sensitive about it I understand, but it's easier to get along I find. XD Ah I see, genetics is a mean component of life; I've got heart attack & stroke prone parents&grandparents on both sides of the family, so yeah life is short. I'd rather have video games be more of a vice than alcohol anyway, lol.

Vladimir is fun, and I mained blitzcrank for the same reason, versatility. I need damage, I get a hydra, I need power, I get an abyssal scepter, I can go tank even. I hear that, I liked to play xerath before his rework because he didn't work like a conventional mage; His passive gave him 15% bonus armor off of his ability power, like a reverse galio/ramus. He was initially the counterpick for assassins mid, along with an ability that rooted himself to double the range of his other spells making him complex but require skill to play. But like cassiopia, sona, & sion, he's barely played as a niche anymore after his rework.

That puzzles me too, but the only sports I like to play is billiards & bowling. Though I do enjoy chess too, but I wouldn't watch any of the three played. And yeah that's part of why I've been getting away from league, since they enforce some to be weak while the obviously strong they ignore.

That I understand, I enjoy facing against blitzcrank & thresh too. Though between them, I'd rather face against a good zed than a mediocre yasou; zed has a blink sure, but it's got a 10 second cooldown, and he doesn't have 2 shields either. But I figure we enjoy facing someone else using our favorites as we get to see alternative playstyles we can use, while knowing the flaws of particular maneuvers.

I'll go into a little detail on why I hate a few (make that several [make that writing a book lol]) . . . ---yasou; mobility, burst, cc, and denial, all of which can be spammed for free and even power him up for spamming ---ekko; he has 1:1 ap ratios on 3 abilities unlike most every other mage in the game, mobility burst & annoyingly strong cc, doesn't help he looks like a stereotype punk ---leesin; like ekko his kit has too much utility with too high of scalings for too little cost, but he's physical instead of magic ---vayne; sure she's a close range carry, but with %MaxHealth true damage without cost, there's no way to itemize against her, along with unavoidable self peel and mobility with an offensive steroid ult that often makes her invisible ---fizz; this water rat I'd say is even more cheap than the previous 4 I listed, he may not have as much mobility or burst as them, but his passive belongs on a tank, and his jump of invincibility is frustrating by design, even if it was on a 20 second cooldown since it has no requirements, at least yasou's windwall is only directional ---fiora; both before & after her rework she's a nightmare to fight, before her rework she could be intangible while decimating your team every minute, after the rework she can counter-stun anyone attempting to stop her while having vayne's %MaxHealth true damage for free, and a heal stronger than janna's ult ---riven; like yasou her kit has it all, mobility burst & cc without cost, but at least her mobility isn't nearly as far as his, nor can she outright prevent counter attack ---kalista; like yasou she has immense damage & mobility for free, but unlike vayne she can kite someone that's running away from her, like sivir but with her ult constantly on ---azir; the splice of heimerdinger & caitlyn, having huge zoning potential and poke more than rivaling ziggz & the old xerath ---kindred; a splice of kalista & vayne but with sustain and infinitely scaling damage bonus instead of true damage, not to mention she can give her allies a trynadmere ultimate ---quinn; like vayne she has her own unavoidable self peel and damage buffs, but her ult is like sivir's on a toggle, making her nigh uncatchable & inescapable like several others on this list ---lucian; no I'm not racist, I like the guy's backstory & charecter, but like most of the other carries he gets mobility & burst in abundant supply ---caitlyn; having some of the highest range nearly allows her to auto attack from off screen, and if she gets a critical hit stacked with her passive, she chunks tanks with ease and can 1-shot other carries ---graves; his rework made him from average to nightmare, giving him plenty of mobility and caitlyn's damage at close range ---soraka; initially I wasn't going to add her, but her rework made her more annoying than before, her short ranged targeted silence became a long range area silence that also stuns, and with just a warmogs she can heal her team constantly, doesn't help her rival sona has been repeatedly nerfed to the ground

Spizzle90003 votes

@OP Guess what? The people voted for the champions they wanted to see played by the pros. The majority rules, and the majority chose these champions. I didn't want to see Alistar, Darius, Fiora, Lee Sin, Braum, Anivia, Ashe, or Graves either, but that's how life works. You don't get what you want.

I wanted to see some more play-makers, but oh well. You think it's unfun, others are ecstatic. Fun is a subjective concept, so would you kindly refrain from forcing your opinion of what is fun upon all of us?

dEAdbUs3 votes

On Worlds 2014 when Star Horn picked Fiddle and Panth crowd became insane. Unicorns became popular because they were playing unusual picks.

So I think people like unpredictable games. But I don't know why they vote for common picks - maybe they want their teams to be winners, and they forgot that All-Stars is a show not a competition.

Spizzle90002 votes

Hmmm, good point. I do understand they want their favorites to win, but yeah, I think I'd rather watch Faker play full AP Tahm Kench mid than Fiora or whatever.

ThePartyLeader2 votes

I know I wish they picked a off meta support like Brand....

I agree people never take these opportunities to make ridiculous comps.

Spizzle90001 votes

Perhaps because the majority of people didn't feel like seeing a ridiculous team composition?

RisenDarkKnight1 votes

? You do realize one comp is all melee with no adc or ap mid? Team fire had an Alistar Braum bot lane.

The problem wasn't that the comp wasn't ridiculous enough, the probem was that one comp had all melee champs and just got kited to death by Annivia and Azir and the other ranged crew.

Angry Monster1 votes

I know I wish they picked a off meta support like Brand....

you are using the word meta completely wrong. Next time just drop it out of your sentence.

I know I wish they picked a off support like Brand....

Now you wouldn't look like a clueless fool, who is talking about meta.

ThePartyLeader1 votes

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you are using the word meta completely wrong. Next time just drop it out of your sentence.

Now you wouldn't look like a clueless fool, who is talking about meta.

sarcasm...... mage supports are the meta. not tank ....

Mech0p2 votes

It could have been much more interesting if team fire didn't take two supports bottom... Throw darius bot, braum top lees sin jgl, and fiora mid they would have had a better chance but the dual bot support was a horrible call

dEAdbUs2 votes

It could be even more intresting if they played Galio, Fiddle, Swain, Poppy, Teemo, Garen etc.

Pale Pirate1 votes

But it's off-meta. I am much more into unconventional lanes than unconventional champions.

dEAdbUs7 votes

I doubt people really voted for no-range team and 2-adc-team. Everybody voted for picks, not for full team's combinations.

Pale Pirate1 votes

I agree, but it's the result that matters in this one.

ZT Xperimentor1 votes

I'd rather have both; that would be something exciting to watch and hopefully shut up the sheep about the 'meta', lol.

Transgressor1 votes

Well yeah, this is what happens when people vote.

At least we could make sure our conciousness was clear by voting actually entertaining stuff, but there's nothing we can do about the majority vote.

Riot should've just used a lottery ticket about everything; seeing them improvise with absurd picks and situations would've been a blast.

Guyy Fieri2 votes

Or they shoulda played ultimate bravery :D

Puynsi1 votes

We knew this was going to happen, not even surprised imo. But Im puzzled about no yasuo.

TenshouSNK1 votes

Wait, why is not Quinn mentioned on team fire? Team fire picked her all the time.

dEAdbUs1 votes

This pick are for special game "10 picks".

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