People are taking relic shield + fleet footwork + overheal for ridiculous lane sustain making them get to midgame with too much ease. They are basically unpokable and can just rush crit items. Just make relic shield melee only and end this fiasco once and for all.
Ahristocats9 votesmake targon melee only
problem solved
"what about thresh", one champion should not hold balance in hostage thresh can be buffed in multiple ways if he can't use targon anymore
Hethalean1 votesJust make Thresh AA a melee categorized attack. Problem solved. or just make Relic Shield's charges auto used when CC you didn't kill dies near you.
Ahristocats7 votesthat would break thresh
would give his adc 12% damage reduction instead of 6%, and heal him for 12% of the adc damage instead of 6%
Grasp of the undying would give more HP and deal more damage from 450 range and sustain him more, making him stronger in both laning phase and teamfighting
also he would gain the auto-execute of targon and that's still a buff considering you can miss some cs with thresh
you will create more balance problems by making thresh a melee rather than buffing him and preventing him from using targon
you can just buff his base hp+hp per level and his hp regen since he lost targon sustain
Hethalean1 votesI was being a bit sarcastic. lol Or special code it in for execute. I can't remember where, but this season somewhere else they did special code someone's something in. I'll get back on that if I can find it.
NekoniClaws1 votes
ADC might become legitimate <3
Disulfiram1 votesInstead of making it melee-only, simply forbid it to ranged champs. This way Thresh would be untouched, since iirc he's classified as neither ranged nor melee.
EDIT: Nvm, they changed it, he's ranged now.
Ahristocats6 votesthresh is classified as a ranged champion he does not get the execute of targon he gets half of knight's vow effect he doesn't have 1.25 mr/lvl and gets half of grasp's effect
Disulfiram1 votesYep, after posting it I checked and now he's ranged (e.g. gets Runaan's bolts); don't know when did they change this, but he used to be neither ranged nor melee.
Eedat1 votesInstead of making it melee-only, simply forbid it to ranged champs.
............ Isn't that the same thing?
Disulfiram1 votesThink of it as having tags; a champion is ranged if he has the "Ranged" tag, and is melee if he has the "Melee" tag. A melee-only item can only be bought by champions with the "Melee" tag, while an item forbidden to ranged cannot be bought by champions with the "Ranged" tag. Those two tags are not exclusive: you could have one, you could have the other, you could have both, you could have neither. Jayce, for example, has both (though not at the same time: it depends on his stance).
AirKingNeo1 votesOr just make Thresh considered melee even. Then we could make Locket melee only so enchanters can't buy it and redemption.
Ahristocats1 votesas i say it again, this would break thresh, his win rate would be easily go above 54% win rate and the balance team would need to tune his strengths down
it's easy to compensate thresh for losing targon (hp buff and hp regen buff) rather than nerfing him for indirect buff because of grasp knight's vow and targon's execute
AirKingNeo1 votesNot really? He would be able to do the last hitting easier with Relic Shield and that's it. I barely see how that breaks him, and even if it did somehow, just nerf his base stats to compensate.
Ahristocats1 votesthat alone would be a huge buff
you know why?
because thresh cannot get gold past midgame, people will nuke minions too fast that unlike melee champions that can kill full hp minions with face of the montain, thresh cannotot and has to wait for them to be low but it will be too late because your allies do not want to let you get gold
Additionally, Bandit gives more gold for melee champions
Additionally, Thresh would get the DOUBLE of what he has right now with
And to finish this, he would be able to proc grasp's full effect from 450 range, which would be beyond stupidity, he would be able to sustain in lane forever, get more hp from poking, and dealing more damage in 2v2 and teamfights
AirKingNeo1 votesOh yeah, grasp is a thing.
Rexxiee4 votesThey need to remove those stupid "quest rewards" as if supports arent strong enough already.
If they do theres no more reason to adcs to ever get targon anymore.
Siyther4 votesif poke wasnt crazy and out of hand no adc would go this route. I feel forced into doing it becase, bot is a poke war. Support casts one abiltiy and since comet or aerie you lose half your health. Then u have adc running comet as well, Ms Fortune, is a prime example. Heal supports arent doing well into the poke either, which should tell us that it is too strong.
ProfDrDeath3 votesThe issue lies imo more in how cheap these Crit items are. Preseason did not fix a single thing about IE + 2 Zeal Upgrades (specifically, Shiv and Firecannon) being the most inexpensive 3-item powerspike of any damage-focused role. The issues of that build were merely masked, to a degree, by the fact that Footwork sucked in the sustain department.
Given that Footwork was buffed quite a lot compared to Bloodlust in 7.24 in the early to mid game, that masking is no longer true.
And it is way beyond time for Riot to address this.
rtbf2216514122 votes
Sukishoo3 votesHe shouldn't be using it anyway, is better off with Coin.
rtbf2216514121 votesHe shouldn't be using it anyway, is better off with Coin.
Too bad rito said otherwise in multiple posts in the past. :>
Because his passive. Not it's passive.
AirKingNeo2 votesDespite no source at all, people believe this. Why?
Remlap12231 votesGameplay.
Ahristocats1 votesprobuild shows that every adcs in high elo is starting targon with overheal and flee footwork
it was predictible because they lost their old sustain
AirKingNeo1 votesCLEARLY, ADCS ARE THE ISSUE TO NEED HIGH SUSTAIN TO SURVIVE LANE AND NOT SUPPORT POWERCREEP AND SORCERY BEING BROKEN! /s
Ahristocats1 votesadcs sustaining laning phase is not acceptable, not until their damage becomes less reliable in late game, or until melee damage becomes more reliable back in season 7 early game meant nothing, you couldn't poke anyone because of warlord+doran's blade
early game is the only time in the game where you can stop them, later they are safe deal a ton of ressourceless DPS from high range
there MUST be a reason on why riot removed warlord to introduced a tuned version of it
AirKingNeo1 votesI feel Fleet Footwork is fine and just needs to not be ADC only as a keystone.
I feel ADCs just need nerfs to their scaling and not be as good late game monsters. The class is more fun to play when it's not shit early, and it's more fun for everyone else against them if they aren't total monsters late.
Ahristocats1 votesflee footwork is definitly fine, but i do not agree with targon being used by them to sustain
i will ask meddler next time
rtbf906614561 votesWhat is late game?
RenownedWheat421 votesYou lose earlygame pressure for it. There are plenty of ways to punish someone for taking it.
LICENSED HOOKER1 votes
[sg-lulu]
NekoniClaws1 votesOh! I saw that again today on the enemy team! So that's why?
I don't mind. It was one of the easiest games I've had all month. I literally chased them under their tower level 1 with lux (with Q) and firstblooded level 2.
If people can pick it into the right situation, and it lets some of the non-comet ADCs into the picture, I'm ok with that. It's not like it's being used to rush ardent anymore.
Salron1 votesGood, poke support meta needs to die until sorcery is balanced
Colton1471 votes 
3X15T3NC315P41N1 votesRiot is too stupid to do anything about this. They have proven it time and time again. Relic shield + fleet footwork botlane is pretty much the same thing as the ardent meta from last year. sigh.....
