@Balance team Can you explain me why pretty much every adc's base AD is increased 5?

Sasogwa··10 votes·689 views

Why? Are other champions (melee/mage) gonna be buffed in other ways to compensate? Because I hope you do understand that this means if no other changes are done that ADC's will completely destroy sololaners?

(for those who wonder) Ashe Base Damage: 56.508 from 51.088 Draven Base Damage : 55.8 from 50.38 Ezreal Base Damage: 55.66 from 50.24 Jinx Base Damage: 58.46 from 53.04 Kalista Base Damage: 62.92 from 57.5 Lucian Base Damage: 59.46 from 52.04 Sivir Base Damage: 57.46 from 52.04 Tristana Base Damage: 56.96 from 51.54 Twitch Base damage increased to 55.46 from 49.04 Varus Base damage increased to 54.66 from 49.04 Vayne Base damage increased to 55.88 from 50.46

You do know that the 'adc weak early is a myth' and that their range makes them insane sololane bullies, do you? Holy shit this looks scary

Edit : Oh I missed Corki Base Damage: 56 from 51.24 Kog'maw Base Damage: 59.46 from 52.04

Aaaaand for some reason Miss Fortune Base Damage: 46 from 49.54 (???????)

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pripustas3 votes

Was about to make a thread about this.

What the hell Riot? What's the point in being melee if you can't even have stat advantage? It's so unfair.. They now have better stats than melee champions. I don't think I'm gonna be playing this game if they stick with that.

KONO RUBICK DA1 votes

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Was about to make a thread about this.

What the hell Riot? What's the point in being melee if you can't even have stat advantage? It's so unfair.. They now have better stats than melee champions. I don't think I'm gonna be playing this game if they stick with that.

they want them to be strong in early and late game

Brimaz The King2 votes

Because they lowered their AD scaling per level from 3 AD per level to 2.41 per level. So u get 5 extra AD to start with and lose 10 AD at level 18.

Sasogwa4 votes

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Because they lowered their AD scaling per level from 3 AD per level to 2.41 per level. So u get 5 extra AD to start with and lose 10 AD at level 18.

But this completely changes every matchup. ADC's are now insane lanebullies, while their lategame potential is barely touched (it's mostly the items AD and multipliers that count at that stage, 5 less AD isn't gonna do much). It's just retarded that ADC's would beat you easily without even needing to kite or abuse their range early on. We're going to see ADC's in every lane, like what the hell.

Rebonack2 votes

Most big AD items lost 10-15 attack damage as well.

Sasogwa1 votes

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Most big AD items lost 10-15 attack damage as well.

Well I do see a trend in making ADC's a bit less good at DPSing lategame, but I don't think that justifies it. Also what is going to happen for melee champions that use ADC itemization (Trynd? Yas? Yi to a certain extent?)

pripustas1 votes

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Most big AD items lost 10-15 attack damage as well.

Ohh look, Tiamat and brutalizer got nerfed too!

Hayaishi21 votes

Adcs being weak early isn't a myth. Good laner is not the same as a strong early game.

Sasogwa1 votes

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Adcs being weak early isn't a myth. Good laner is not the same as a strong early game.

But early game IS laning phase.

Hayaishi21 votes

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But early game IS laning phase.

If that was the case Lee Sin would be a good laner.

Sasogwa1 votes

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If that was the case Lee Sin would be a good laner.

Ok Early game IS laning phase and ganking power, skirmishing power if you want to counter jungle.

Kitten of Evil1 votes

Uh Kog'maw's current base damage isn't 52, is it? I always remember it being 49.

SiG DxD1 votes

all get +5 ad but kayle got -5 ad cause devourer

A Miss Fortune1 votes

Miss Fortune had her's nerfed (thank god) because they're giving her a tonnnn of damage.

Love Tap can do 50% - 100% of her AD (works with her Q too) and has no actual cooldown Her AS steroid went up from 20% - 60% to 60% - 120% bonus Attack Speed (and the duration can be increased significantly) Her ultimate now shoots faster and more waves, has an even higher AD ratio (god It's OP), and can critically hit for even more damage

Please, don't encourage them to buff Miss Fortune's AD.

Sasogwa1 votes

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Miss Fortune had her's nerfed (thank god) because they're giving her a tonnnn of damage.

Love Tap can do 50% - 100% of her AD (works with her Q too) and has no actual cooldown Her AS steroid went up from 20% - 60% to 60% - 120% bonus Attack Speed (and the duration can be increased significantly) Her ultimate now shoots faster and more waves, has an even higher AD ratio (god It's OP), and can critically hit for even more damage

Please, don't encourage them to buff Miss Fortune's AD.

All right, I guess I'll let go the changes for MF. Graves changes too seem to be a bit too big to have a proper judgement yet.

However, I still don't understand the buffs to other champions. They're not necessarily going to get cull and farm up (meaning a similar AD -actually a bit higher- than right now), they could just as well take doran's blade and bully everyone out of lane. I just don't get it.

Also, I just thought about champions like Teemo. How is he gonna compete ranged champions that got an insane laning buff? Every adc is now a better Teemo in laning, with much better scaling.

A Miss Fortune1 votes

I think champions like Teemo (similar to Yorick and Poppy) aren't kept strong because they're toxic/broken. Yorick's laning phase is so boring and involves him just spamming his ghouls. He counters every laner with the exception of a very few off meta champions and even then the effects of countering Yorick aren't that great. This is the same for Teemo kind of, he's so toxic to play against and unfun. He's kept unfun because he needs a complete gameplay rework, but that would require Riot to remove the toxic parts of his kit (point and click blind, mushrooms, maybe the poison) and therefore he wouldn't be anything like he was, which would cause his large fan base and many other people to complain.

Rebonack1 votes

And because I just noticed:

Riot is also removing the flat AD at level 1 Mastery.

That likely also has something to do with it.

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