Riven's E is called Valor

Sasogwa··137 votes·5,645 views

Not pussyness. Grant her increased shield when dashing towards/through champions, and decreased shield when dashing away. That would also make her kinda more healthy since it's more rewarding to go in balls deep and not keep her escape, than to go for a short trade and shield out.

When I say increased shield, I don't necessarily mean higher values than live. I just mean, her shield should be more rewarding when dashing towards a champion than dashing away.

79 Comments

Lugg56 votes

If you are going by the name, then you should take away the shield and give her a stupid bird.

ElJanitorFrank15 votes

If you are going by the name, you should remove her kit and give her a different one.

Hello I am Bird10 votes

Riven: "A sword mirrors it's owner"

The Oasis4 votes

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Riven: "A sword mirrors it's owner"

Had to log in to upvote this.

Goodest Gamer2 votes

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The Oasis1 votes

In my defense, all those games were before Sated Devourer and teams would have 3 tanks every game.

Sulghunter5 votes

Ever get 100-0 by a "stupid bird" before?

Gunslinger7445 votes

Yes.

Mistress Madoka6 votes

Yes

Lockenster14 votes

yes, by this oneAnivia

I Main Swain3 votes

dont forget these Azir Quinn Swain

Tiffany Kim1 votes

Quinn

iamleburk1 votes

just make it an AOE blind with a huge MS boost

Yordle Xayah29 votes

Riven's E is called what???? http://i.imgur.com/8CAtm6A.png

Pikmints13 votes

Eh, I'm not sure about Riot's naming conventions. Janna W = item 3172

gubigubi2 votes

SQUAWK!?

Shosuko25 votes

OR make the shield scale on maximum mana.

BattleBalladeer1 votes

This actually makes a lot of sense in that it might encourage more interesting builds for Riven than full AD. It would offer her the use of items like item 3025 or item 3110 which also provide CDR for her kit.

woobee7 votes

....you don't get it.

Singing Lark1 votes

Mana OP. This is my build for Riven every game since I started playing Ryze:

item 3070 item 3070 item 3070 item 3070 item 3070 item 3070

Kappa.

sp4413 votes

Urgot :"Get the fuck out of my property, boy."

Catastrop13 votes

I saw a similar thread like this before and laughed because they were like "It's called Valor, not Coward." But yeah I see where you're coming from.

ModAcademy Kayn6 votes

"COOOOOWWWWAAARRRRRDDDDDSSSS"

As Sion proceeds to use his ult to run away from a gank.

Nilok1 votes

I am proud to never have this happen in any of my Sion games.

MrWasjig1 votes

"Run cowards!" From another large dude only more Russian ;3

TheDogIsOut8 votes

I think we could make a directional shield, though that's harder to implement. She can only block (shield) damage coming from the direction she shielded to. That would also add much needed counterplay.

The Sword Saint5 votes

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I think we could make a directional shield, though that's harder to implement. She can only block (shield) damage coming from the direction she shielded to. That would also add much needed counterplay.

Oh please with the 'much needed counterplay'. Her kit has ton's of counterplay already, such as no innate sustain, cooldown weaknesses, melee range, 3 skillshots, and only doing physical damage.

She isn't someone like vlad, old mord, akali, etc. where there actually is extremely little counterplay other than "all in them if you have enough stats to, otherwise poke them from range if you out range them, otherwise never go near them".

A directional shield would be interesting only if it was a complete damage block in that direction, otherwise it would need to be 4 times as strong to not constitute a massive ass nerf - whether thats 4x more hp, 4x the duration, 4x shorter cooldown, or some mixture.

ChaosThief18 votes

I wouldn't exactly say she has 3 skillshots. I would say her ult's 2nd cast is the only skillshot.

Abyssphere4 votes

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I wouldn't exactly say she has 3 skillshots. I would say her ult's 2nd cast is the only skillshot.

It is admittedly quite rare for a melee champion to not have a single targeted ability, though. She doesn't have any abilities that are remotely difficult to land because all of them just involve throwing herself at enemies/standing beside them, but still. Nice design IMO.

Gorgannan4 votes

Calling Riven's skills skillshots is like saying Darius has 2 skillshots.

The Sword Saint3 votes

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Calling Riven's skills skillshots is like saying Darius has 2 skillshots.

... but he does. Skillshot refers to any ability that you have to use timing to hit or it will miss. It's not just generic line nukes or whatever.

Gorgannan8 votes

Eh, the word "skill" implies it's actually possible to miss without someone actively baiting it.

Urgonnalearn2day3 votes

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Eh, the word "skill" implies it's actually possible to miss without someone actively baiting it.

You can miss or miss use Darius's skill shots.

KevinDelMarr3 votes

Fiora's passive has a direction, Braum E has a direction. It wouldn't be hard to code either (well mentally anyway, I'm not really a coder). A certain part of her hitbox gains a marker (where the shield is), when an enemy object that deals damage makes contact with the marker, it factors in her shield strength.

ChaosThief5 votes

Or no shield when running away.

Yes...yesssss...

Fadedpf4 votes

Give it the same value when going toward a champ and half when not or removed completely.

Rivvy3 votes

That is very clever, and sounds very rewarding. Thank you for bringing a more positive approach to Riven in terms of tweaks on abilities and what she needs.

3sTbGoP7ES2 votes

It is a 1.5 seconds shield which scales with 100% Bonus AD.

Sasogwa18 votes

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It is a 1.5 seconds shield which scales with 100% Bonus AD.

And?? How is that... relevant to the thread? We could make that a straight nerf (same value if dashing forward/ lower value if dashing out) as well as a buff/nerf (10% increased from live when dashing forward, sthg like 50% decreased when dashing out)

Actually, screw that. It's just the concept of having a lower shield when dashing out, I'm not discussing about her ratios/ potential ratios if we make that change.

3sTbGoP7ES3 votes

Why would we need such a mechanic on a shield that lasts only 1.5 seconds? Riven's shield is big because it lasts only 1.5 seconds. Tho yeah nice concept.

MohawkBird18 votes

A shield that also gets as low as a 3.6 second cooldown.

O Fallen Scholar3 votes

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A shield that also gets as low as a 3.6 second cooldown.

It's necessary. Late game Riven has to be hyper mobile or she'll get dumpstered in team fights.

MohawkBird4 votes

Thing is that "much needed" mobility also functions as an AD scaling shield.

PerishSoftly1 votes

Which, at 250 bonus AD and 40% CDR gives Riven 1000 effective HP every 10 seconds.

EDIT: From another thread I posted in.

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Math incoming:

The issue with Riven building "glass cannon" is that she has anywhere from 25% (0%CDR, max level) - 41.6666% (40% CDR, max level) uptime on her shield that scales 100% with her glass canon stat.

That's a refreshing 90-210(+AD) shield with negative cost (given that it also gives mobility and grants up to a 50% AD bonus to her next attack).

Example: at 250 bonus AD (which I've seen a lot of Riven players get) and 40% CDR, Riven's effective HP increases by 460 every 3.6 seconds. That's 1000 effective HP every 10 seconds. Riven item 3071 item 3074 item 3035 item 3072 item 3158 + 15 AD and 5% CDR from Runes & Masteries, and a slot for a defensive item. There you go, 1000 shield per 10 seconds

(Plus 30%+35% armor shred, 32% lifesteal, self-shield with lifesteal, and Rage passive)

MohawkBird2 votes

I tend to see a lot of Riven's build a Randuin's as well as their last item, so they sit at around 2.5-3k HP, tons of lifesteal, tons of armor/tankiness, and can still burst and 2v1 people.

warpenguin5552 votes

Riven Valor to me Quinn fck you too

TheFirstGokun2 votes

Actual feedback instead of straight up nerfs that actually benefit her gameplay and thematic? Sure, next you'll see threads trying to stop the shitstorm on the Mordekaiser feedback thread.

KnighRrider2 votes

Idk I think its fine the way it is, I mean either way she would end up more "op" since shes already very effective at trading, she would only be better at it, while if we made it work the opposite way, she would still be good at engages and just get better at running away too. Since we already have too many losers, who dont know how to counter pick, complaining about how shes too op already I just dont think its a great idea. I'm open to reworking Riven and ill continue to play her even if it makes her suck, so long as Riot is able to keep her identity as a champion ...which they dont seem very capable of doing right now(well the Fiora rework was good, but she just got more op af).

Tentacle Love2 votes

"The better part of valor" - Retreat.

That is the joke that they made in the name of that ability. It might be a very old and obscure term but I'm sure you can find more via google.

I Main Swain1 votes

no clue if this would be balanced, just popped into my head and wanted to see what everyone else thought about it, but i thought of a few potential q changes:

  1. increase her q cooldown by a ton and have the cooldown reduced for each time she hits an enemy champ with it (doesn't stack with multiple champs)

  2. make it so her q can only be cast twice if it doesn't hit an enemy champ

  3. remove the knockup

note: not saying all of them, just 1 of them. id like to know what yall think about it

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