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Why is Zoe a thing?

General Esdeath ··13 votes·1,439 views

A mobile burst mage with CC that STILL can work if she misses it? Damn, CertainlyT really hit the nail on the head with this one. Nothing better than being hit by a hard CC that travels faster than a speeding train when going through walls where I can't see it, just to sit there long enough to alt-tab because I know what's coming next. That glorious one-shot from the Nidalee Q 2.0!

I can feel the downvotes and comments now, I can see it. "BUT HER WINRATE" WOAH! A CHAMP WHO JUST CAME OUT HAS A LOW WIN RATE?!? I'M Bard SURE Evelynn THAT Ivern NEVER Kayn HAPPENED AurelionSol BEFORE Taliyah . If anything, it says her kit is a problem. If you can pick off ANYONE, squishy or tank, and you're still losing, your kit is problematic, or people don't know how to play you out of lane.

What's her drawback? That you can dodge? WWOOOAAAHHHHWIE! I love playing dodgeball for 40 minutes! Why do other high damage artillery champs have huge draw backs except her? And don't say "her ult drops her back in the same spot" because she can just hold that until any skill shot CC comes at her, and then use it again on its super low CD.

Yes I'm salty about this champ, yes I just lost to one after deciding to stop banning her, and yes I'm banning her every game from now on. Congratulations Riot, you moved one champ past my other permabans of Fiora MissFortune Xayah and Jayce. The high damage ADC meta wasn't enough, we had to 1-up ourselves on this one.

But at least nobody will complain about Yas anymore if Zoe is arou-

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39 Comments

Shadòw8 votes

She still isn't mobile lol.

General Esdeath 3 votes

The 2 way kassadin ult on a low CD and cost isn't mobile, got it.

Shadòw4 votes

That teleports you back to the exact same location.

It's pseudo mobility.

General Esdeath 1 votes

You can dodge a skillshot, get vision, and reposition for a Q/E with it. That's pretty good mobility. Mobility means able to move around, doesn't mean you have to land in a new spot.

Shadòw4 votes

It's too slow to dodge a fast skillshot with it, and if you use it to dodge a skillshot you'll most likely eat the entire enemy combo the moment you come back.

The reposition for Q/E part is exactly what it should do, next to picking up spells or getting your passive off.

But it's still very restricted mobility. You can't escape/roam/dodge or effectively gapclose on the longer term with it to catch up with somebody.

It's just a spell that is supposed to synergize with her other spells, but calling Zoe a mobile champ because of that is like calling Amumu mobile because of his Q.

General Esdeath 1 votes

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It's too slow to dodge a fast skillshot with it

https://youtu.be/21Q9GycKrRk?t=10m19s

The reposition for Q/E part is exactly what it should do, next to picking up spells or getting your passive off.

You should, but with the low CD and cost you can afford to do both

But it's still very restricted mobility.

It's still mobility with good uses.

You can't escape/roam/dodge or effectively gapclose on the longer term with it to catch up with somebody.

Don't need a long term when you just have to get in and throw E to sleep them or a Q.

It's just a spell that is supposed to synergize with her other spells, but calling Zoe a mobile champ because of that is like calling Amumu mobile because of his Q.

Amumu needs to hit something, and he is considered a good farmer BECAUSE of his Q's mobility.

Shadòw1 votes

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https://youtu.be/21Q9GycKrRk?t=10m19s

Now do that in a real game. And, like i said, you will just come back and eat the entire other combo of your enemy.

You should, but with the low CD and cost you can afford to do both

Like I said? That's the things it should do.

It's still mobility with good uses.

A champ is not mobile just because he has some form of restricted mobility in his kit.

Don't need a long term when you just have to get in and throw E to sleep them or a Q.

If you use it to max Range E you won't get in Range for your Q in time, as you go back instantly. For Q it is just a Range extend, nothing more. You still see it coming as she has to throw it out behind her first. Enough time to reposition.

Amumu needs to hit something, and he is considered a good farmer BECAUSE of his Q's mobility.

Yes Amumu has to hit something. That's the restriction why he isn't considered a mobile champion. Just like Zoe has the restriction of not being able to escape/roam or gapclose with it.

Salron2 votes

That's a good joke

General Esdeath 1 votes

Nah uh, wanna hear a good joke?

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Alkis96 votes

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The 2 way kassadin ult on a low CD and cost isn't mobile, got it.

This is how every person with a single brain cell can tell that you haven't played Zoe. Try to ESCAPE a gank with zoe ult. Just try, i dare you...

General Esdeath 1 votes

Mobility does not mean escape ganks, it means you're able to move around for any purpose. What happens if Kass wants to try stealing drag/baron? Ults in, dies before he can ult out. Zoe? Ult in and look/throw a Q, get back out. And what if you're ganked by a Sej and you use ult to dodge her E R combo? OH LOOK! NOW SHE HAS NOTHING AND YOU CAN WALK AWAY.

Alkis91 votes

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Mobility does not mean escape ganks, it means you're able to move around for any purpose. What happens if Kass wants to try stealing drag/baron? Ults in, dies before he can ult out. Zoe? Ult in and look/throw a Q, get back out. And what if you're ganked by a Sej and you use ult to dodge her E R combo? OH LOOK! NOW SHE HAS NOTHING AND YOU CAN WALK AWAY.

Not really. Ult in the baron pit, get hit by the adc twice, die. You dodged Sej E R combo, good... or it would've been if you didn't re apear infrond of her face, really to be stunned and rekt.

Brain Errör 4045 votes

Zoe. Mobile.

Pick one.

General Esdeath 2 votes

R

Hit by skill shot

pick one

Brain Errör 4042 votes

No relevance to the argument. That doesn't even make any sense considering her R is tied to extending her skill shots to land. She has no mobility.

General Esdeath 1 votes

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her R is tied to extending her skill shots to land. She has no mobility.

https://youtu.be/21Q9GycKrRk?t=10m19s

uh huh...

hoyohai2 votes

I don't think that's mobility

General Esdeath 1 votes

https://i.imgur.com/wUYucgT.png

hoyohai1 votes

O. Also, downvotes are cool.

Brain Errör 4041 votes

Dodging skill shots with time invincibility frames... seems QUITE common to me. Honestly, I hope you're a troll. If not, then all I have are nice things to say about you.

General Esdeath 1 votes

Except hers is the shortest cooldown and she's meant to be immobile.

Go ahead and say something, prove you're here to troll, not because you disagree.

Brain Errör 4042 votes

Kassadin.

R.

lvl 16.

1 second flash.

Zoe.

R.

lvl 16.

4 second... I don't even know what to call it? It's not a teleport. It's not a flash. It's not a re-position tool. Legit, it's a juke/range extension tool.

All you're doing is farming upvotes with nothing new to bring to the table. Not only are you over exaggerating, but also adding on lies to prove a point that you simply don't have. She is immobile. Outside of picking up flashes and having double or triple flash attempts, Zoe has 0 mobility. She has a slight movement speed boost she can activate with her W, but that's also very situational. Just because you suck at dealing with Zoe and can't argue about the proper part of her kits that need tuning, doesn't make her any less IMMOBILE than she already is.

Her skill shots are moderately fast, no faster than most other champion's skill sets. They travel at the SAME speed as ANY other projectile flying at you. You're not going to juke an Ez Q after you see him release it, you predict where he's going to shoot and juke it. You're not going to juke a Ahri's charm unless you predict it. You won't juke a Elise's cocoon unless you predict it.

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General Esdeath 1 votes

Actually with 45% CDR and TUH maxed out Kass ult is 1 second and Zoe ult is 2.5 seconds.

It's a dual teleport, same thing as Kassadin but it goes back and doesn't deal damage.

I really couldn't care for upvotes unless Riot says "if you hit X we'll actually look at her kit".

You predict and then what? Oh wait! You can use the ability after you predict it! You can also do it if you know it's coming, like when you see a Fizz R fish flying at you.

I downvote if I disagree because, wait for it, that's the purpose on boards. <removed>

Gives No Lux4 votes

46‰ win rate

General Esdeath 2 votes

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Demon King Maou2 votes

Thats okay zoe doesnt like you either https://i.pinimg.com/736x/ac/8e/dc/ac8edcb60d4e9c8bf79fac61a42efe87.jpg B-baka

General Esdeath 3 votes

"omae wa mou shindeiru"

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Demon King Maou3 votes

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"omae wa mou shindeiru"

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/2P3pqF9Ggrs/maxresdefault.jpg

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/j2R6SM-a6dk/maxresdefault.jpg NANI!?

General Esdeath 2 votes

ty I needed that laugh

ZeroAgainst2 votes

careful theres a shit ton of cringe in the comments

General Esdeath 1 votes

Where?!?

ZeroAgainst1 votes

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Where?!?

everywhere

General Esdeath 1 votes

Nah jokes are OK. Not that cringe to me. Better than people who sling insults around.

xelaker2 votes

I love the "she isn't mobile" argument. Does it matter? she has great range and a super low cd way to get in range and back out without consequence, unless she literally gets one shotted

Colton1471 votes

Ornn was trash when he was released.

He's trash again when he got nerfed.

General Esdeath 9 votes

Ornn is a totally different case to me because he's basically a CC bot that supports the team via upgraded items. He shouldn't be crushing in lane but Riot's balance team pulled the good old double buff yet again.

Funkin Dunkin1 votes

He's not trash just people don't like playing Naut style tanks.

UnboundHades2 votes

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Ornn was trash when he was released.

He's trash again when he got nerfed.

no he was not trash on release its just people didnt understand that tanks dont need to be dealing more damage than anyone else so his damage got buffed for no reason making him op

DoktorKaiser1 votes

They changed his W damage from % health to % max health, he won't be trash anytime soon.

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