League should do what Overwatch did

General Esdeath ·Mar 23, 2017·148 votes·5,815 views

A new character was released and isn't pickable in ranked. Riot should do this with new/reworked champs

86 Comments

TheHappyReaperzMar 23, 201714 votes

Do you know what League has that Overwatch doesn't? Bans. Use them.

GULAG 4 UMar 23, 20172 votes

Well, till you end up with 4 people wanting to play Galio on your team...

Wind WhistlerMar 25, 20171 votes

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Well, till you end up with 4 people wanting to play Galio on your team...

tmw Old Galio was stronger than New Galio but everyone wants to play New.

General Esdeath Mar 23, 201737 votes

Would love to but I'm first pick and Riot is still waiting to put 10 bans in :)

FakeGravityMar 24, 20175 votes

i just threat to use galio myself if you dont ban him, which work if you are any role that isnt adc

KudrovMar 24, 20173 votes

false : FTFY any roles period.

LegendmakerGXMar 24, 201718 votes

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Do you know what League has that Overwatch doesn't? Bans. Use them.

Well this is a dumb advice, people need to ban real OP champions rather then waste a ban. Galio is a new champion where no one knows how to use him and chances are the team mate who plays Galio will fk your match since he doesn't know how to play him.

Bans are for banning champion that is either broken or terrible to deal with late game or early game, they should not be used and wasted on because a idiot wants to first time Galio in a rank match.

ZephyrDrakeMar 24, 20173 votes

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Well this is a dumb advice, people need to ban real OP champions rather then waste a ban. Galio is a new champion where no one knows how to use him and chances are the team mate who plays Galio will fk your match since he doesn't know how to play him.

Bans are for banning champion that is either broken or terrible to deal with late game or early game, they should not be used and wasted on because a idiot wants to first time Galio in a rank match.

and how do you know that it'll be their first time playing that champion? if we go by that logic no champion should be allowed in ranked period since that random player could be playing that random champion for the first time ever even if it's an old ass champion. You have bans, use them. Overwatch doesn't and they don't even need to pay anything to use that hero/champion/whatever whereas here those who actually want to play the champion actually had to spend IP or RP to get the champion

LegendmakerGXMar 24, 20172 votes

Don't they have that new useless champion grade system Riot implemented? Ya maybe Riot can actually put it to good use and make sure people actually get to level 3-5 on the champion to play it in rank.

DrCyanideMar 24, 20174 votes

We've covered this before, having a champion mastery restriction would effectively prevent you from trading with allies, since you wouldn't be able to lock in the champion unless you both had them at the minimum level.

Cosmic WarperMar 24, 20176 votes

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and how do you know that it'll be their first time playing that champion? if we go by that logic no champion should be allowed in ranked period since that random player could be playing that random champion for the first time ever even if it's an old ass champion. You have bans, use them. Overwatch doesn't and they don't even need to pay anything to use that hero/champion/whatever whereas here those who actually want to play the champion actually had to spend IP or RP to get the champion

Because the champion just got reworked lmao No one has more than 10-15 games on the new galio yet

Faceroll TacticsMar 24, 20173 votes

Haha you underestimate the power of tryhards and Koreans.

Some Koreans play 30 games a day. It's definitely possible, also accounting for the fact that the pbe has had galio for a few weeks as well.

AMYS GRAVEMar 24, 20171 votes

If they've already played 30 games today to get experience on galio then i don't want them in my game because they are exhausted and probably not playing at their best.

UkeNeverSemeMar 24, 20171 votes

That would take approx. 24 hours to do, so i really doubt that. Also according to korean law you get locked out after a certain anoint of time and you have to use a social security number to play so... No. Noone. Plays 30 games a day.

greatdeathzMar 25, 20171 votes

what about the koreans who arnt in korea?

Faceroll TacticsMar 27, 20171 votes

They have illegal social security numbers, or people move to Korea like LS.

ZephyrDrakeMar 24, 20173 votes

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Because the champion just got reworked lmao No one has more than 10-15 games on the new galio yet

you are avoiding my question. Every single champion that someone picks in champ select can be that persons first time using that champion. Also there are people who used him in the PBE so they have a lot of experience with him. You do not even need that many games in order to know what a champion does. You play one or two games and you have a general idea of what the champion does and how their abilities behave. It doesn't matter if a champion is new or just got reworked. You don't want that champion in ranked? ban him!

AMYS GRAVEMar 24, 20172 votes

The difference is that some people may not have played, lets say alistar, but they have almost certainly played against alistar or with an alistar before and at least know what he does. Meanwhile they haven't played galio, or played against him, or played with him on their team and consequently have much less knowledge of the champion.

Glory ln DeathMar 24, 20172 votes

Require Mastery 2 to play a champion in ranked. Boom. Problem solved.

Mig89Mar 24, 20171 votes

Dumb for two reasons. You would need 16 champs with mastery two just to play ranked. Second reason is mastery 2 is no different than being brand new to a champ

Glory ln DeathMar 24, 20172 votes

It takes 5-10 games to hit Mastery 2. It's not difficult to get that on 16 champs. And, yes, you aren't going to be great with them with just Mastery 2, but at least you know the basics of the champion.

UpDownLeftRightABMar 25, 20171 votes

Not if you S rank :p only takes like 2 games at most (Since S rank is between 1500-2000 points, rank 2 is 1800)

AMYS GRAVEMar 24, 20171 votes

So you should have some basic game knowledge of some champions to play ranked and that's a problem somehow?

ZephyrDrakeMar 24, 20171 votes

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Require Mastery 2 to play a champion in ranked. Boom. Problem solved.

what problem? you think that would somehow make people not suck at the champion? you will see the exact same people who feed with the champion still feed with the champion. Once again, you can literally reach mastery lvl 5 with any champion by losing every single game. You could even just AFK all games and not even bother playing the champion and you would still be able to reach mastery lvl 5. It'll take forever to get but you can. What mastery lvl you have with a champion means next to nothing

Glory ln DeathMar 25, 20171 votes

You may not be great, but at least it shows that you have played the champion a few games before taking it into ranked and are at least somewhat familiar with it.

RainbowIceeMar 24, 20171 votes

A game that relys on banning champions sounds like it has balance problems. Maybe we should encourage riot to make the game where we dont need to ban 10 champs. (Currently 6 but people want more)

AMYS GRAVEMar 24, 20171 votes

Well they've had years to solve their balance problems so we aren't getting that. Bans are the best solution we can realistically hope for. I agree in principle but in practice the balance of this game remains mediocre at best.

RainbowIceeMar 24, 20171 votes

mediocre is giving it too much credit. Champions, dragon, baron, minions and towers are unbalanced.

AMYS GRAVEMar 24, 20171 votes

There have been short periods of time in the past where balance has been ok, but its been a while.

GelmousMar 24, 20177 votes

yeah there's already a thread discussing this exact subject literally sitting on the front page with 150 upvotes made 24 hours ago, why did think there's a need to make a new one?

DrCyanideMar 24, 20177 votes

"Front page" is relative - there are 4 front pages, one for each of the four ways to sort the boards.

mikemcpartyMar 24, 20171 votes

They are both in gameplay.

DrCyanideMar 24, 20173 votes

But that doesn't answer the question "which frontpage", since that leaves 8 possible front pages.

Boards - New
Boards - Recent
Boards - Hot
Boards - Best
Gameplay - New
Gameplay - Recent
Gameplay - Hot
Gameplay - Best

mikemcpartyMar 24, 20172 votes

The "front page" is the boards page that loads up when you first go to the boards. Don't play dumb.

DrCyanideMar 24, 20173 votes

Understand how the boards work before you accuse me of playing dumb.

Each section remembers the way you sorted it the last time you were there, so when you refresh the page or pull up the boards on another device it's sorted that way. As I recall it defaults to Best the first time you load up, but since those topics rarely change people swap to one of the other 3 depending on their viewing habits. From that point on, that becomes their default.

All 8 options I listed were valid front pages that people could have selected at some point in the past and be using. It's ignorant to assume others are using the same sorting as you.

ModThe DjinnMar 23, 20173 votes

Conceptually I rather like this idea, and would be curious to see any arguments for/against it that Riot might have debated. Because I'm CERTAIN they have considered this possibility, and that probably means there are strong arguments against it that I'm not thinking of right now, or it's still a topic in discussion.

There's also the argument that you have to purchase individual characters in League but get them all for free in Overwatch, which means denying someone a character in their preferred game mode is a bit more of a blow to the player. That alone is a rather compelling argument to keep them usable, and definitely complicates the discussion.

LOSINGISMYPRIDEMar 24, 20171 votes

the think is you need to not destroy the ecosystem of wht is ranked and player mind . Why do they ban new heroes in ranked in overwatch is because there are alot of bug that sometime ppl use as abuse and actually win game .Overwatch is actually young as a community and game . Wht i also mean by ecosystem and player is you dont want to ruin the mood of 1 million daily player who want to play the new champ in ranked .

ModThe DjinnMar 24, 20171 votes

{quoted}What i also mean by ecosystem and player is you don't want to ruin the mood of 1 million daily player who want to play the new champ in ranked .

Oh, I totally get that. I'm just trying to think like a developer here and weight the pros and cons. A big pro is keeping characters players are new to out of ranked...but a big con is not letting players who prefer ranked play their new modes with their new purchases.

It's even more complicated by the fact that there's nothing stopping me from buying a champion I've never played who ISN'T new and taking THAT champion into ranked, so I feel that unless we limit the "new champion purchase" ranked play as well as the "new champion released" ranked play we're being hippocritical.

LOSINGISMYPRIDEMar 24, 20171 votes

I also understand your point and it would solve some problem but cause other one . Why they making OP champ at the release , its because they want them to buy the champion and use it . It also put a idea in the mind of the player that with this you will be succesfull and extremely strong ( in some point yes but a op kit doesnt cover your own mistake in game ) and the last think who come in my mind is that there are alot of variety in the champ select and overwatch dont have that so it make the balancing way harder in some point . They need to make the hero not too op , not too weak , fun to play with and against , not conflicting with the playground , bug , interaction , etc . The game of overwatch is at a young state where they try to slowly make a enjoyable place and entertaining . League already have these aspect and no one cant conflict against the entertainement of your customer or they become angry as fck and break thing or threat from stopping the game . Overwatch actually free game , league of legend grinding game , free but still grinding game .

ModThe DjinnMar 24, 20172 votes

{quoted}Why they making OP champ at the release , its because they want them to buy the champion and use it .

So this is entirely untrue, actually. I say this as someone who has talked to Riot designers personally in several contexts. They want new champions to be usable, but they want ALL champions to be somewhat usable. It's just that recently a lot of champions have erred on the stronger side, but there have been a number of releases that were underpowered at first as well.

SwollwonderMar 24, 20171 votes

They have. The reason, I believe, they don't do it is because any champion has the potential to be new to the individual player. If I unlock yasuo and decide I'm going to first time him in rank how's that any different from when a new champion releases? I guess you could make it so that new champions both bought and released are locked for a week in ranked but that just feels awful to buy something and then not be able to use it hence why they probably don't do it.

Penta PenguinMar 24, 20173 votes

Galio abilities and gameplay revealed a few weeks ago
Players on PBE have played him for a few weeks
Youtubers play him with higher levels and strategy and post videos for a few weeks
skillshots, magic damage shields, dashes, shen ults revealed 10 years ago **
new champs are a very small problem compared to the hordes of idiots playing their 20% win-rate champions in ranked or other gimped shit that doesn't work well for them**

no problem