You know something is wrong when Ezreal has a higher winrate than Caitlyn

YumaS2Astral·Sep 3, 2017·2 votes·639 views

And that's because Ezreal is said to be the worst ADC currently.

Maybe Caitlyn was nerfed too hard, or she was nerfed on the wrong way? (maybe Riot should have just nerfed her traps at once instead of nerfing random things in her kit, refusing to look at the actual problem)

Source: http://champion.gg/champion/Ezreal/ADC http://champion.gg/champion/Caitlyn/ADC https://br.op.gg/champion/ezreal/statistics/adc https://br.op.gg/champion/caitlyn/statistics/adc according to both sites, Ezreal has a higher winrate than Caitlyn; Ezreal has somewhere between 47% winrate while Caitlyn has 45%/44% winrate

They also have about the same playrate so that should not be taken into account

15 Comments

Zed geniusSep 3, 20172 votes

So what's wrong with that? Caitlyn has been Overpowered since her rework in season 5, it was about time she became less useful

YumaS2AstralSep 3, 20172 votes

[{quoted}](name=Zed genius,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=xviEMe1i,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2017-09-03T09:56:11.637+0000)

So what's wrong with that? Caitlyn has been Overpowered since her rework in season 5, it was about time she became less useful

The thing is, she didn't just became less useful. She has been gutted, and no champion deserves to be treated like that, no matter how overbearing they may have been.

Zed geniusSep 3, 20171 votes

Zed Ryze Azir Rengar Shaco yeah you're right

LordGeovanniSep 3, 20171 votes

Um Yorick Urgot Taric Poppy . any thing the current champions can do the previous versions could do far better except spread item 3504 for taric

Zed geniusSep 3, 20171 votes

those 2 are reworks, not nerfs, they were trash before the rework too

LordGeovanniSep 3, 20171 votes

reworks resulting in nerfs. Urogot was great before his rework the 1 reason urgot was reworked as because he wasnt a pretty champion. Yorick was like that too but he also was being kept intentionally weak beacuse riot couldnt just come out and say kill Yoricks green and red ghoul dont kill his white ghoul it come up too often. boom yorick is useless enough to get real stats and be no less toxic than Teemos dot lux passive being an entire spell or her ult being on the high end of basic spell cooldowns while still having an higher than most ults damage or caitlyn's range her traps and her headshot passive and ult. or any global damage ult that for some reason can only appear on marksmen but is never low enough damage or cooldown to reflect that it could effect another lane if not multiple lanes. All of these champions i had above average winrates on before their reworks. some i admit is because people didnt know what the champion did and that really isnt the champions fault as you should know what every one should do in order to protect yourself. Same reason i used to take new champions into ranked after learning them in 1-3 days because i learn quickly and that is part of my skill which i can no longer use. despite champions being up on the pbe for 1-4 months before being released and subsiquently on you tube. another skill of mine is being able to look at champions kits and game play and see how thing fit together before even playing it there fore minimalizing my need for practice

YumaS2AstralSep 3, 20171 votes

If their kits are unfun to play against and/or overpowered the moment they are not gutted, then it is a sign of poor desing, which means they may be gutted, but sooner or later, they neeed a rework. This has happened with Yorick in the past.

Zed geniusSep 3, 20171 votes

so those champs are unfun to play against but cait is fun to play versus? lol

YumaS2AstralSep 3, 20171 votes

[{quoted}](name=Zed genius,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=xviEMe1i,comment-id=00000000000000010000,timestamp=2017-09-03T10:10:27.739+0000)

so those champs are unfun to play against but cait is fun to play versus? lol

She may fall into the "poor design" category, especially considering that her traps are non interactive - you need to flank against Caitlyn (not all champions can do that though, and it is risky), avoid them to begin with (giving Caitlyn the opportunity to zone you and take your tower or a neutral objective) or to have a tank step on them and remove them (even against a tank, those things hit like a truck, and it may leave the tank too weak to fight)

Without her attack speed being gutted, she used to have everything an ADC would with; god-like sieging power, strong sustained damage (she may not have as good sustained damage as other ADCs but her other qualities more than make up for that), self-peel (which also happens to help her deal more damage) and potential burst damage. She also has been one of the worst offenders among ADCs when it come to abusing item synergy, considering Runnan allowed her to stack her passive very fast, increasing her sustained damage to insane levels (and even as of now she still abuses the Statikk + RFC combo).

If Riot can't find a way to make her balanced without gutting her, making her lose her identity, or making her unfun to play against, she may need a rework.

Zed geniusSep 3, 20171 votes

yeah she probably needs a rework

WarpesSep 3, 20172 votes

{quoted}

The thing is, she didn't just became less useful. She has been gutted, and no champion deserves to be treated like that, no matter how overbearing they may have been.

good. fuck that cancerslut