if you remove risk from Zed then you also need to remove counterplay

thinking man·Apr 8, 2015·1 votes·642 views

One of the most common comparisons I see is between Zed and Talon and people will say that these two do essentially the same thing which is completely incorrect.

Talon kills you in less than a second while Zed kills you over the course of 3 seconds unless you just face-tank him and let him land 2+ Shurikens.

If you want to add risk to him, you have to remove counterplay because you cannot give a champion comparable risk to a next to zero counterplay assassin while leaving them with many ways of countering their burst.

also true sight doesn't reduce Talon's damage

7 Comments

IcyPepperApr 8, 20156 votes

True sight lets you cc Talon during his ult or target him with abilities. That is counterplay.

Zed, IIRC, does not turn invisible during his ult, he just becomes untargetable like Fiora.

This is like comparing apples to oranges. They both got their counterplay and playstyles.

ForgiveColourApr 8, 20151 votes

talon should have already killed your adc when he enters stealth tho lol

IcyPepperApr 8, 20151 votes

And a pink ward/sweeper lens prevents him from getting away scott-free in an ideal game.

ForgiveColourApr 8, 20152 votes

so many people upvoted the talon is balanced and his burst is healthy thread makes me want to cry

CsfuserApr 8, 20152 votes

Why? He's an immobile assassin. He can't jump over walls whenever he feels like, he can't jump right back out of the fight when he's done one-shotting the adc. If he gets behind he's sooo much weaker than other champions that get behind. On the flip side, he's extremely strong when he gets ahead, which is fair.

Cenobite AzazielApr 8, 20152 votes

Talon is mana gated, he hasas only one ranged harass skill. Zed can spam all day and both his skills can be combined with W for more damage AND reach. It is painful to play as a melee jungler vs a zed. If you get near him he will W and you will get free harass with his E afterward. The worse thing? While being melee, he can farm from distance with his Q. If talon does this it's bye bye to his mana. Zed has a better lane phase, better mobility, isn't mana gated during lane phase, wich means the lane is a kill lane or a farm lane.