Zoe has serious design problems

The Deckowner·11/26/2017, 9:12:29 PM·207 votes·9,402 views
  1. She globally gain vision of enemy when they use summoners, that means if you are a jungler and you use smite anywhere she will get vision of you, or if you tp from fog into fog she will still see u.
  2. Her E rewards her for missing it.
  3. W shards from minions is too RNG depended and won't ever be balamced.

179 Comments

Votable Jester11/26/2017, 9:58:13 PM59 votes

I agree with 1 and 3, but I wouldn't say E rewards you for missing. I think it's intended to be more for cutting off escape paths and such when ganking or fighting in the jung.

AirKingNeo11/26/2017, 11:52:40 PM35 votes

She globally gain vision of enemy when they use summoners, that means if you are a jungler and you use smite anywhere she will get vision of you, or if you tp from fog into fog she will still see u.

No, she doesn't.

Swarovsko11/27/2017, 1:14:45 AM17 votes

Just another CertainlyT champion

Dope Solo11/26/2017, 10:05:50 PM17 votes

I didn't think about point 1 before...that just seems... fucked.

Call Me Nana11/27/2017, 1:28:52 AM15 votes

this is entirely wrong.

she can only see summoner spells IF she has vision on them

mosaickle11/27/2017, 12:39:27 AM9 votes

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  1. She globally gain vision of enemy when they use summoners, that means if you are a jungler and you use smite anywhere she will get vision of you, or if you tp from fog into fog she will still see u.

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rtbf22561824111/27/2017, 2:36:28 PM6 votes

I think that the only problem with her E is that it's too easy to be confused for her Q as they're both fast as hell and visually difficult to identify at such speeds.

Psyrix11/27/2017, 1:36:14 AM6 votes

She can only see the summoner spells if she had vision of them previously.... If the jg wasn't warded and summoner spells were used she wouldn't be able to tell unless she gains vision of them. It is only after that the spells become visible on the minimap to her. She can't suddenly see u in fog of war. (have u played as her yet? or watched videos of her being played?)

Her E in no way rewards her for missing it (other than allowing her one tick of her passive). The E may continue to persist as a trap, but it doesn't reward her for missing it. An enemy needs to trigger it in order for her to gain a meaningful "reward". It's a means of zone control.

W, it is agreeable that the shards are quite RNG (both when they appear as well as what spells she'll get)

DuskDaUmbreon11/27/2017, 5:09:52 PM5 votes

Point 1 is wrong. Entirely wrong. Absolutely, completely wrong.

And point 2 is also wrong. It doesn't "reward" you for missing it. It leaves a zone of effect. You might as well say Karma's R+Q rewards you for missing it.

MisoTroll11/27/2017, 2:47:27 AM5 votes
  1. She has a literal one-shot skill assuming you can attain a minimal mastery of her mechanics.
Flemman11/26/2017, 11:45:08 PM5 votes

Minion who will drop shard should be visible for the enemy so you can lane accordingly.

That's too much hidden power in one spell interaction.

VelvetCrotch11/26/2017, 10:20:45 PM4 votes

i agree with all 3. damn, i didnt even know the first thing. Oo

2 is definitely too rewarding but it seems like she is really in need of this spell.

Velzard of Koz11/26/2017, 10:19:35 PM3 votes

As for 1)- doesn't it also kill the juke potential of Flash? I am not sure with this but I think the Flash pearl is dropped where the player ends, not where they cast Flash, so If I saw it correctly it should tell her where the target flashed to.

ChuShoe11/27/2017, 2:23:45 AM1 votes

I keep seeing people mention CertainlyT. Who is that? Why don't people like them?