In all honesty it's quite astonishing that Lulu still has a point and click ranged hard CC ability

A Dizzy Lulu·10/10/2017, 6:09:09 AM·58 votes·10,478 views

This champ gets banned by so many pros and high elo streamers and it's quite literally because of this stupid ability alone... no other character I think of has a point and click RANGED HARD CC BASIC ABILITY (Not ryze since roots aren't hard cc and you can still attack), no, this completely disables your entire champion from doing anything... like I said, how many other champions still have an ability like this? I can only really think of sejuani, but she has to hit those 3 or 4 proc things...

BUT, if we're looking for a quick easy solution, just make her polymorph not last 2.25 seconds (jesus christ what?) and make it last like 1.6 seconds. To compensate, if she's too weak, give her power in her kit elsewhere (perhaps make the ally W portion stronger, or her shield stronger)

EDIT: I don't think people seem to understand how I'm differing Polymorph from other abilities, so I'll make it really obvious here:

Polymorph:

  • Reliable
  • Basic Ability
  • 2.25 seconds of basically being cc'd by a silence on steroids
  • ranged, and decently ranged at that
  • and most importantly, POINT AND CLICK.

I keep getting posts here comparing her W to ULTIMATE ABILITIES. Realize that Lulu's 6.6 second Polymorph is not something you should compare to something with over a minute cooldown in most cases... Twisted Fate's gold card isn't as reliable, you can still attack when ryze rooted... the only actual similar abilities are fiddlesticks' fear and maybe annie's q if it's the 4th ability (but her bear is way better anyways)

206 Comments

TyrekGoldenspear10/10/2017, 2:55:10 PM53 votes

It's not hard CC cuz Lulu turns your champ into something soft.

[sg-lulu]

nargnargnarg10/10/2017, 7:04:54 AM24 votes

Twisted Fate has a point and click hard cc ability with his gold card

ChiTenshi10/10/2017, 7:46:10 AM19 votes

Annie Lulu Morgana Quinn Vi Nautilus Maokai

So you hate these champions then?

RiotRiotRepertoir10/10/2017, 11:54:35 PM14 votes

Change it to a targeting paradigm that reasonably permits the cute animals to be on my screen for 2.25 imo.

Unreformed Shaco10/10/2017, 7:22:01 AM12 votes

The difference with Naut and Mao CC is their role in a fight.

If they ult/advance you, they aren't using it on the enemy ADC and get shredded as a result.

Polymorph however..

"Oh look, the enemy assassin jumped my carry! Lol jokes, 2 sec poly now get kited and instakilled because you cannot do anything."

Tenth Leper10/10/2017, 3:46:12 PM10 votes

My understanding is that polymorph is not hard cc, but an unusually effective soft cc

Kaìju10/10/2017, 12:04:45 PM9 votes

Ryze root is hard CC. Hard CC is any CC that totally takes away your movement control completely, not CC that disables attacks. To show this, hard CC is anything that can proc Courage of the Colossus. Lulu's isn't technically hard CC, but it's basically hard CC. Just wanted to point that out since lots of people don't know what is and is not hard CC.

ZT Xperimentor10/10/2017, 7:29:40 AM8 votes

You do realize that without such things, mobility creep would be even more frustrating.

z63XnLCMwX10/10/2017, 7:04:55 AM6 votes

Nautilus Press R Maokai Whatever his snare is

L Psy Kongroo10/10/2017, 2:17:27 PM6 votes

Everyone always forgets Fiddlesticks :(

Terozu10/11/2017, 12:22:02 AM5 votes

Hard Cc stops movement, Lulu has a silence and auto attaack disabler. Its soft cc not hard. Ryze is hard cc. Panth is hard cc. Snares, roots, stuns, and displacing are hard cc. Silence, slows are soft.

Athenes Lulu10/10/2017, 6:11:56 AM4 votes

I think it's more on the ult. People don't even use W to polymorph lol.

All they do is autobind E enemy cast in lane, trades for free because no one can dodge it, and then after lane they autobind everything to ally cast and expect results.

If anyone even uses them decisively I'd be surprised, cuz with Ardent Censor and the tank meta in existence, there's not much reason to not autobind her abilities on a single ally. That's the bigger issue with Lulu right now and that even the worst of autofilled supports can pull it off without much fear.

Though I don't mind nerfing her polymorph duration in favor of reworking her E so that there's more "decisive" play around her.

Critmaster Garen10/10/2017, 6:26:52 PM4 votes

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no other character I think of has a point and click RANGED HARD CC BASIC ABILITY

Annie Fiddlesticks Pantheon TwistedFate Soraka (her e is instantaneous. doesnt matter that its aoe. its point and click)

thats not saying youre wrong. ranged point and click cc is pretty much cancer.

DuskDaUmbreon10/10/2017, 8:47:23 PM4 votes

(Not ryze since roots aren't hard cc and you can still attack)

Roots are hard CC...

no other character I think of has a point and click RANGED HARD CC BASIC ABILITY

Annie Fiddlesticks Sejuani Ryze Karma Rammus Pantheon TwistedFate Teemo (not sure if blind counts as hard CC or not) and Vayne all have ranged point and click hard CC on a basic ability.

Soraka's E qualifies, even though it's technically not point and click, since it's an instant cast 0-travel time AoE.

Nasus's W is just shy of being hard CC, with a 95% slow.

Please don't lie next time...

YumaS2Astral10/10/2017, 6:30:06 AM3 votes

At least Lulu's W has some sort of decision making attached to it. Why I am saying that? Because you need to decide whether you want to use it for the hard CC on enemies, or to buff your allies. Sometimes it is a though decision. Unfortunately not as before, since item 3504 exists (but at this point we are talking about Ardent instead of Lulu herself).

Unreformed Shaco10/10/2017, 7:02:37 AM3 votes

Click to target CC should not exist, period.

PePsiLemoNN10/10/2017, 8:59:29 PM3 votes

Ryze 3 reworks , same point and click root LUL

captainkaiger10/10/2017, 4:36:53 PM3 votes

Fiddlesticks That is all

Sire Hippington10/10/2017, 6:16:08 PM3 votes

While polymorph can be annoying, most of the time the ms+as boost for the adc is actually more powerfull, atleast once he got some items. Though i still agree, the duration on it(and some of ther other point n click hard CCs) is to long for the lack of counterplay.

Also, Annie FiddlesticksPantheon Ryze TwistedFate Vayne Maokai Alistar Poppy Quinn Tristana (Karma Morgana Nocturne ) Lissandra Malzahar Nautilus Vi Camille All of them have ranged point n click hard CC...