whats the counterplay to akali

A Dizzy Lulu·10/15/2017, 12:38:41 PM·109 votes·8,903 views

other than begging your jungler to do something pre6?

you can't solo shut down akali cuz lol sustain

you can't see her anymore cuz lol pinkwards aren't a tihng anymore and she also has a BLINK now so ccing her is even more difficult (also she doesn't have to worry about mana..)

once she gets gunblade you may as well just sit in fountain all game unless you have 5 cc spells on your character

not necessarily talking about if she's balanced or not, but she is the pinnacle of anti fun in league imo

163 Comments

abca9810/15/2017, 12:46:39 PM47 votes

You try to harass her pre 6, but then you have to be careful for her jungler. Post 6, you hug your tower like you would hug your mother, because the instant you show yourself, she will gunblade> r you> q auto e> r you again> auto> r if you are still alive. Great design by the way.

Serika Zero10/15/2017, 2:45:52 PM34 votes

Akali main here.

Akali is very weak in team fights, therfore, grouping and team fighting is a major counter to her, and its a reason why she is so weak in late game. Akali also has a mediocre laning phase, meaning, she will lose to strong lane bullies in lane.

Example of counters in mid lane: Leblanc Azir Morgana Mordekaiser Example of counters in top lane: Malphite Pantheon Galio Renekton Also, good supports are very difficult to play against: Karma Lulu Janna Taric

Please don't underestimate her early game. Akali's early game is not the strongest, but its not weak either. She can easily win and snowball a lot of match-ups even pre level 6. Once more, do not underestimate her.

edit: saw someone mention quinn. Please, do yourself a favor and do not fucking play adcs into assassins, unless you plan to lose the game ;)

LB is one of the most hard counters in mid lane btw. So, your choice against Akali is the next one: Counter pick her. or Pick a team fight pick, and respect her damage potential. Which means you counterplay her with team play. or Pick a strong lane bully. There's many lane bullies you can pick blind and do well in Akali. or Win the skill match-up which is what most Akali match-ups are. And this just means you counterplay her by being the better player. As she has no skill shots, she relies on dodging her enemy's skill shots in order to win fights and trades. So, if you hit those, you win ;)

You might think Akali is an easy and noob champion. But there's a lot of micro managing and skill shot dodging involved in order to play her properly. You can still win with Zed, Talon, Rumble, Fiora, Oriana, Ahri, Syndra, Riven, etc against her. But you will have to hit your skill shots and respect her damage output (aka: don't stay in lane with 50% hp for god's sake).

Akali power spikes at: -lv 2 when she gets her W

  • at lv 6 when she gets her ults at item 3145 at item 3144 at item 3146 at item 3020 and at item 3136 oh and at item 3157 (usually required for team fighting akali)

After this, her power starts to get lower. As you can see, almost all items except zhonias is an item obtain in the early and mid game, and useful for that time in the game.

While you call Akali the pinnacle of anti fun. I have to remind you of her weaknesses:

  1. she's melee
  2. her main mobility can only be used aggressively on enemies, meaning, she has way into fights, but no way out.
  3. she is squishy
  4. she does mostly magic damage and a bit of ad.
  5. she has no wave clear (so, you can easily siege her turrets)
  6. she has no cc (so, once she falls behind, it become difficult for the akali player to do something, and doing something is a testament of their skill and game understanding)

Meanwhile, the likes of Cho: Tanky as fuck, loads of CC, huge ass true damage burst. And all of that for just not having mobility...... yeh right. And Akali is the "unfun one".

ps2: ignore people that tell you to stomp akali pre6 if you follow their advice when you do not have a counter match-up or a lane bully, this will only get you killed and have an akali snowballing even pre lv6. Do not underestimate Akali. Her weakness is late game, not in the early game. Mid game she can 1v2 the enemy adc and support unless they are undertower, because that's when her power spike happens. This is true for all assassins btw, not just akali. The problem is that in late game, adcs just 2 shot assassins, so, they have a harder time due to 'delayed' burst, even if they are alone.

PePsiLemoNN10/15/2017, 2:14:44 PM18 votes

Take summoner 3 and maybe you can leave base once every 3 mins lul

Ionian Vulpix10/15/2017, 3:15:34 PM10 votes

Win game pre-6

Bisaknosp10/15/2017, 1:46:15 PM8 votes

dodge champ select

SweedishGunner10/15/2017, 1:32:23 PM7 votes

'bUlLy hEr OuT oF lAnE' Ignoring the ridiculous sustain of her passive, the fact she doesn't have mana and the safety of the new shroud.

Raoul10/15/2017, 3:14:00 PM6 votes

Lulu Did someone call for True sight?

AmazoX10/15/2017, 1:35:01 PM6 votes

EDIT: I have one advice for you, Buy mortal reminder 2nd item if you are laning against Akali while not playing a TANK role champion! :D

Are you like playing a minion vs Akali? You freaking outplay her like every other champion in league except for ADC'S. These kind of threads are starting to become super duper lame.[sg-zephyr]

If you were genuinely curious then I hope fellow players can give you advice cause I got better things to do, Take care everyone.

Somebody Love Me10/15/2017, 5:09:06 PM5 votes

Honestly, beating Akali isn't as hard as some people make it out to be. In mid lane, play a safe, ranged champion and harass her to hell pre 6. Akali beats most melee melee mid laners that aren't named Kassadin. She can't sustain off minions if she's zoned off cs, to the point of having to unreliably Q to last hit. Even if she can auto a minion, she shouldn't be able to do so without getting chunked. Make that player realize why she is mostly played top. If you shut her down before 6, perhaps you'll be far enough ahead when she does hit 6 to be able to handle her then.

Once she gets gunblade, it's harder, and at that point, you have to rely on grouping. Akali does not group well, as she will get bursted down and focused before she can assassinate priority targets, unless she's fed off her ass. That's why she's a split pusher.

Now top Akali is a different beast. She intimidates top laners because of her sustain, but her matchups aren't the best. Play a lane bully like Renekton or Pantheon, and again, zone her off cs. That, or play someone with just as much sustain, but with an actual decent lane phase/trading power, like again, Renekton or even Irelia. Akali bullies melees, but if you can sustain her bullying and also outtrade her, you're all set. I don't recommend ranged top laners, because a good Akali will find an opening and punish any mistake you make, except Jayce. As an Akali player, I fucking hate Jayce. She can't lane well against him, but she does outscale him in the mid game.

You should respect Akali when you lane against her, as she will punish your mistakes. That's what she's supposed to do, but that doesn't mean you should be scared of her. Playing scared of Akali kills more people than Akali herself. Punish her for trying to CS with autos. If you can make her recall before she gets revolver, that's a big win for you. If she Qs a minion, you have an opening to attack her for free. If she Qs you, be mindful of her double Q proccing you. Respect the aggressive shroud blink, but know that if she blows it aggressively, you have time to fight back. She's also vulnerable to ganks pre 6, since she does tend to push in top lane.

Most top laners outscale her late game, and after a few items, she won't be able to match their split push. Fiora is a big example. Once again, she does not group well, so if you are a tank, you will be much more useful to your team in fights than she will be to hers.

If laning as a tank is unbearable vs her, try rushing Bramble/tabi, if you feel she is maxing her E, or Cowl if she is maxing Q. Cowl hurts Q max Akali hard, whereas Bramble helps against her sustain.

I hope this was somewhat helpful, and sorry for the essay lmao

kargish10/15/2017, 2:08:42 PM5 votes

Akali is basically an all or nothing champion, she either has the power to kill you, or she doesn't and gets murdered. She's extremely cooldown and burst dependant though, so if you were to take someone like Garen Darius Chogath Riven you'll be able to murder the fuck out of her, but if you instead have champions that wants to win by range or burst, then you're probably not gonna win against her.

Best advice is to buy countermeassures if you're behind item 3155 item 3076 item 3102

Idk what this is but it looks cool item 3632

Hayaishi210/15/2017, 7:17:33 PM5 votes

Akali has never had counterplay. That is why she gets gutted the moment she becomes relevant. Lets hope Its the same now.

zero35610/15/2017, 5:55:27 PM5 votes

unless you have 5 cc spells on your character

So Nautilus with item 3143?

Tworie10/15/2017, 2:49:38 PM5 votes

You can figure out Akali's weaknesses by simply playing Fiddlesticks into her and thinking about all the different kinds of analogs to things Fiddlesticks does to completely dumpster her and apply those to when you're fighting her with other champs :V

Salson10/15/2017, 2:09:48 PM3 votes

Early game you have to force her to back pre 6 or you die. Exhaust is also a valid option.

Late game you have an enchanter with 2-3k shields and just as much heals. Basically beat someone who relies on lack of skill and counterplay with even less skill and counterplay.

There is a reason Rito considers Akali T1 on the rework list.

Pacattack2510/15/2017, 2:32:01 PM3 votes

Gnar ? ((how do I get the hm? sticker for league?)

But seriously - you have one of four choices: Outrange her Xerath , Velkoz Out-1v1 her: Fizz, Fiora CC her to no end : Veigar, Lux , Annie, Orianna, TwistedFate Or out-tank her: Chogath - who can just as easily be in the cc group, Blitzcrank - see previous, Malphite -etc. etc.

Because most tanks are also CC beasts ... you may just want to take a tank and have the best of outtanking the damage she does do while prevening her from doing damage in the first place

OyddAWqJ5r10/15/2017, 3:49:21 PM3 votes

Fight her when her passive is down. The 2nd hit of her passive does far too much damage. People say it's her sustain that makes her oppressive but I strongly disagree. The reason most think her sustain is high is not because it is but rather she is poking them down at the same time with Q2 procs and P2 hits.

Shroud isn't too much of an issue cuz it's typically her only way in to harass other than Q spam pre-6. If she uses it like this she's an open target afterward, if she doesn't then she's just taking poke with no answer.

As for her sustain, yeah I said it isn't her main issue but it's definitely still an advantage she has. Just don't push the wave in if you're trying to win via wittling her health down, that's a surefire way to see a full health Akali again real soon. Once again though if you just keep harassing her she can't heal safely without shroud, and once shroud is down she can't do anything safely nor can she blink to you to proc Q2 and P2.

This is coming from a Yorick Main. I got absolutely destroyed the first time I played against her in lane cuz I didn't fully understand what it was that was allowing her to do so much damage (and I wasn't aware of the Q-W-AA combo, chunked me hard early on; and the fact she can W over my wall). But now I'm totally confident matching up against Akali's as Yorick--and Yorick is definitely far from the best pick into an Akali.

Hugmeharder10/15/2017, 6:02:00 PM3 votes

Depends if ur enemy team picks a mid champ first and that turns out to be Akali then ur lucky to choose a counter pick like Annie or Diana

cardomajig2410/15/2017, 6:28:47 PM3 votes

I always found that while it was absolutely unfair to play against her as a squishy, any Bruiser/Tank simply had more combat stats than her at all stages of the game. Some good examples are Sion, Yorick, Mordekaiser, or possibly Urgot. She needs a rework no doubt but until then beat her face in with these picks and then some.

Miror B10/15/2017, 6:38:09 PM3 votes

Nasus

Next question?

FCJAAAAGOOOO10/16/2017, 1:50:16 AM2 votes

just dodge the pink ward

Wráthful10/16/2017, 6:40:36 AM2 votes

her passive gives way too much free stats.

Chaos Milk Tea10/16/2017, 7:32:54 PM2 votes

"whats the counterplay to akali?" Wait for the rework.

420 grams10/15/2017, 6:49:44 PM2 votes

Aoe is pretty effective since she doesn't have any escape tools outside of her w

StoryDuck10/15/2017, 2:29:47 PM2 votes

Champions that can AoE an area are very good against her. Try Rumble and watch her cry (Chogath works well too as well as Garen). You can also punish her with more durable ranged top laners like Urgot, Vladamir and Gnar. Those three can really punish her early and follow up with some tankiness to really counter her all in.

Owyn10/15/2017, 8:39:52 PM2 votes

Lulu mid [sg-lulu]

Miku Append10/15/2017, 2:03:15 PM2 votes

Annie

50ShadesOfÀDC10/15/2017, 10:27:02 PM2 votes

Alt f4.Worked for me pretty well and solid.11/10 would recommend

RavenMagus10/15/2017, 3:08:03 PM2 votes

Akali can be very hard to beat in lane. If you play a champion that has a strong early game, like Pantheon or Leblanc or Annie, you can beat her pretty easily; her sustain is nice and resource free but it isn't infinite if you can keep pressure back, and it's not easy for her to fight back. (If she shrouds, she can't also clear waves; it costs a lot of energy and she'll be very vulnerable after it fades.)

Keep in mind that Akali is completely useless when team fights roll around if Jana, Lulu, or Soraka simply exist on your team. Enchanter supports annihilate Akali's effectiveness and there's basically nothing she can do about them.

Friendly Ram10/15/2017, 2:09:35 PM2 votes

Chogath OM NOM NOM NOM 3 cc spells should do it.