This meta is legit just whichever botlane wins lane lol

A Dizzy Lulu·8/25/2017, 4:44:30 PM·177 votes·8,299 views

doesn't matter if there's a free-farming Veigar mid with 200 cs at 24 minutes if everyone on the enemy team devotes their life and very soul for the adc's success since they're so blatantly strong right now

also, it works in the opposite too. If your adc falls behind or feeds you're basically going to auto-lose unless you're in bronze or a major throw happens (and I mean MAJOR) also if the adc on your team gets fed be ready to feel like a sack of shit being dragged on a leash by your godly adc to victory

yes this is a salt post

141 Comments

Sujiren8/25/2017, 4:59:53 PM60 votes

Adc powerspikes too fast now, idk whos genius idea was to force adcs to rush crit and reward them with masteries like warlords so there is no drawback to it.

Weasel Kensei8/25/2017, 6:44:13 PM19 votes

While your statement isnt wrong, its also fair to say that 40% of your team is in botlane.

5 players, 100% divided among them is 20% each, and since two players are in the bot lane thats almost half your team. If almost half of your team is doing badly then it shouldnt be a major surprise that youre losing. That said, try to help bot lane out.

I see junglers camping top a lot... why? It stands to reason the best lane to help is bot lane because you can set "almost half" (40%) of your team up with an advantage, and even pick up some gold yourself. This strong bot lane then will pressure mid lane too. This will mean that your mid lane will then have some pressure on the top lane.

Like it or not the highest concentration of players for half the match is in bot lane, and if you want to win overall you want to shit on the enemy bot lane, and help yours out. Im not saying this is HOW IT SHOULD BE, but I am saying its HOW IT IS. For what its worth, its how its always going to be to some degree. You cant expect 40% of your team to get shit all over and it not matter at all.

As for that Veigar with all that farm, he will matter, he will be really good at killing things attacking his ADC... its all in how you look at things.

Gelmous8/25/2017, 6:20:40 PM14 votes

lol no i can win bot lane but if top or mid feed their asses off, chances are i lost the game

woodvsmurph8/25/2017, 8:56:25 PM11 votes

Largely too true. Some exceptions apply obviously. Adc's just out-carry assassins, burst mages, control mages, carry toplaners, carry junglers not named kayn. I called this happening way back - when they nerfed but cheapened mage items... then again when they did it to assassin items because adc's were abusing lethality... then again when they nerfed and cheapened tank items. Funny how adc's become so overly powerful compared to all other roles when:

you give them more durability via delayed damage by assassins you give them more durability via "support item" synergy (knight's vow, heal/shield support items) you nerf every other role's scaling and slightly reduce costs so they spike earlier you buff or keep adc items at same power level and reduce cost or don't change cost

How could adc's possibly become nearly the sole determining factor on their team winning or losing... there's just no evidence that explains this trend...[zombie-brand-mindblown]

Zardo8/25/2017, 6:48:29 PM10 votes

I disagree. If this was truly the case, every other role's champions winrates would be extremely close to 50%, suggesting they have a low impact. However, this isn't the case, as there are many champions who have winrates above 51% in other lanes, suggesting other roles have just as much of an impact.

ModAcademy Kayn8/25/2017, 5:29:37 PM9 votes

If a team is able to massively protect their ADC, and keep them alive through an entire fight, than I think that just counts as getting outplayed by an enemies superior teamfighting ability.

Damodar8/25/2017, 6:54:51 PM6 votes

I swear, one of these days i'm just gonna start keeping track of who's commenting and making these posts to see if it is just the same people over and over again.

RankOneUganda8/26/2017, 1:00:52 AM5 votes

unless its ezreal. then you lose either way

notice me Sin pi8/25/2017, 6:16:54 PM5 votes

wrong. Whoever has a feeding Ornn in their team loses as of patch 7.17 regardless of botlane.

RainXBlade8/26/2017, 5:22:39 AM4 votes

I miss the times when bot lane didn't become the center of attention.

Shepherd o Souls8/25/2017, 11:39:08 PM3 votes

Yeah there's a difference in between good peeling and gameplay, and 3 tanks + Janna making adcs that deal a TON of damage and lifesteal a bunch on their own unkillable.

Tanking also feels unsatisfying because they lowered all hp and increased armor mid season, while raising ad on dd and bt to make drain tank even stronger. I'd rather have more hp than more armor, since armor is less effective the more you get. Also items like randuins and sun fire are in a pretty bad state. Cinderhulk tank jungles are pretty necessary to have fun as a tank right now.

Profirix8/26/2017, 4:33:56 PM2 votes

My main concern is how much they will nerf supports (who by themselves are almost useless) in order to 'put ADCs back in line.' It is a fine line between feeling satisfied with how much impact you feel you made and feeling useless as a support. Riot finally got most* supports feeling impactful, but it put ADCs over the top.

Someone made a post about nerfing support itemization but giving supports better kits/better builds so that their choices are better tied to helping the TEAM as a whole and not just the ADC. I think this is a great idea.

I am convinced that Riot is going to address ADCs by nerfing supports rather than the ADCs themselves, and while that train of thought makes more sense because a lot of the extra power comes from items like Knights Vow, Ardent Censer, Locket, Redemption, I think a lot of people are quick to forget just a season ago how much everyone was complaining that supports were useless and hated being autofilled into it.

GorillazNtheMyst8/26/2017, 3:29:42 PM2 votes

Forcing the game to be decided entirely by two people in a third of the map seems utterly ridiculous. So because 40% of your team is in bot, the other three roles are pointless? And are only around to babysit botlane? That sounds like a really bad video game to me...

Moon Forcer8/25/2017, 4:56:12 PM2 votes

It's like you just described my last game...

Had a fucking twitch that built a item 3097 first item and ended the 40 minute game with 20k damage, he was such a little fucking threat that the Vayne was able to build a item 3065 item 3139 JUST FOR ME and not get fucking punished.