Her Q bonus damage can't crit anymore so she can't ult, press Q, and then do 100% of a squishy's health with 1 auto and her W got buffed so she does more damage against tanks. Being moved away from a squishy buster to a tank buster again. Her ult changes might be broken idk, but the other changes aren't that bad. Could be a lot worse.
Ralanr47 votesYeah honestly it's only the ult changes that really bug me.
Akali is SO HOT43 votesI'm not entirely sure it's healthy to begin with. Vayne being almost dead, but then suddenly going back up to full health because she killed a tank doesn't seem balanced. Considering she'll also have infinite heals and shields from her support and items to begin with, this just adds onto that.
Ralanr4 votesExactly. If this was on a solo laner then maybe I could see it, but on an adc that is building lifesteal and usually has a bunch of back up, this heal is just a massive middle finger to assassins whose tank teammate dies because they couldn't deal with her W/gave her the assist.
How are you supposed to fight her with this? Disengage whenever she kills the tank in a teamfight?
Kloqdq18 votesDid the numbers. At uber late game the heal is going to be around 800ish more than likely. With Grievous wounds that drops to about 580 HP. Which is still a lot but not the full HP dream people are thinking. Probably going to see a nerf in the next couple of days too don't forget.
Automated Riven4 votesUnless it's cho with stoneborne. Then it's like 4k
Kloqdq21 votes2000 at 10k HP. If you manage to kill the 10k hp cho then hell you deserve it.
Higher the more he gets but if you pick Cho and they have Vayne then that's someones fault.
AcidTheWarlock18 votesKind of like killing Jhin with a Zed ult
Melledoneus20 votes"Huh... my AD just went up by 200..."
iahim981 votes"Jhin sell your boots and get an Essence river or something, I want more AD"
Spoofghoul1 voteshow is it deserved when it's % max hp True dmg
at that point it wont matter if it's a 10 hp 10 armor turd or a 1000000000000000000000000000000000000000000hp 10000000000000000000000000000000000000 armor cho gath
literally makes no difference to %max hp true dmg
Kloqdq2 votesI highly doubt someone will manage to actually kill an active stoneborn Cho unless the do uses it at like 500 HP.
Spoofghoul1 votesPERCENTAGE MAX HEALTH
PERCENTAGE !!!!!!!
You do know what % means right??
Kloqdq1 votesAnd you do realize that vayne needs to auto someone 3 times to proc it. Not to mention there is 4 other members than that cho'gath. The single proc will not be enough to shred through 10k HP. You would need to proc your 3 HIT PASSIVE 6 times before you could fully kill him. That is 18 auto attacks on a target to just kill them in true damage. Now of course she has other factors like crit and bork to consider and if she has rage blade she will proc it faster.
HOWEVER, that is in a straight 1v1 case where Vayne is only allowed to Auto a target. In a real teamfight it will be near impossible almost to truly proc that. IF, and I seriously mean it, IF she were to proc that ultimate heal, she 100% should get it because everyone else was a complete idea to allow her to do it OR she massively outplayed the enemy.
ModKnightsKemplar2 votesIf she can kill a Cho with stoneborne active, she deserves that reward :P (jk. kind of.)
LiteUpSketchers3 votesNOT IF CHO ONES SHOTS HER FIRST
Ahristocats14 votesult change is beyond busted
everything else is fine
chipndip13 votesVayne lacks any real aoe damage or long-range fighting potential. To boot, her ability to fight other carries is being nerfed. To the VERY least she can something, like in-fight up-time, in compensation for all the things she doesn't do well in comparison to other hyper-carries.
I'm betting it's not gonna be a big deal at all unless she counter-picks a tank heavy composition.
kile1473 votesIf they want to give her more uptime make it so that it heals her for 15%, 20%, 25% of her missing health. That on top of BotRK should easily be enough to keep her in the fight but won't make her punish the other team for their stats.
Salson1 votesYup, I wish that one was a bug.
No really, she is too ult dependant, and every champ that goes Super Sayan is op below high Diamond.
The Deckowner8 votesStill doesn't seem like a change that makes sense. Healing for 20% of a tank's hp that she easily kills with buffed W % max hp true damage is a mechanic that shouldn't ever exist. These changes are just going to push Vayne into top lane.
Jesuszilla1 votesThat's really the only play she sees anyway, she is on the weaker side of the bot lane power curve.
PB4UAME1 votes51% winrate says otherwise, with also a massive pick rate compared to every non-adc champ that isn't Thresh or Ahri.
Shahamut4 votes[{quoted}](name=The Deckowner,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=xkeAhwmI,comment-id=0005,timestamp=2017-08-09T16:29:48.737+0000)
Still doesn't seem like a change that makes sense. Healing for 20% of a tank's hp that she easily kills with buffed W % max hp true damage is a mechanic that shouldn't ever exist. These changes are just going to push Vayne into top lane.
This is what Im afraid of as well... as a top lane main...
The Deckowner5 votesLet's face it, Rito wants everyone to be slave of the adc overlord, they don't care if melee champions live or die.
Marshbouy5 votesYes. people are blowing it way out of proportion. I like said when talking with you
she could auto Q auto before. The minimum amount of damage she can deal went up by a WHOPPING 10 to 5 damage depending on skill level.
that's basically nothing early game. It's comparable to her -3 ad change in season 5, except a buff and not a nerf. It's a nerf late game too since she does less minimum damage at rank 5.
Late game 2% damage increase will be pretty meaningful but that's 12% to 14% isn't a huge change. If you have 3k health thats the difference of 60 damage. Nothing to completely scoff at but not gamebreaking.
2% isn't that bad when you do the math and look at it.
PB4UAME1 votes2% more of a chmapions max hp is enough for 6 procs to be worth 7 procs before the change.
It's a 16.6667% increase to damage, which is pretty fucking huge for a braindead, counterplay-less steroid with 100% up time that deals un-counterbuildable % max hp true damage from safety with literally no resource investment required at all on the Vayne's part.
If I could delete one skill from any champion it would be either Xayah's ult (no ADC should ever have a fucking I-frame, let alone one they can heal/ghost/flash etc in, and move normally during, let alone have it also do AoE damage with the chance to then AoE or multitarget root afterwards) Or Vayne's Silver Bolts. Neither skill should have ever been made, and neither of them should ever have buffs unless the skills very nature changes at the same time.
DaNinad4 votesThis is the correct direction vayne should have gone. Now I would like some attack speed on her ult instead of ad.
Sire Hippington4 voteswouldn't make that much sense thematically though. She switches from her small armbow(or what you call it) to a big crossbow, and it just seems fitting to have her heavy weapon hit harder rather than faster. The high W synergie woul also maybe allow her to switch to tank builts with enough dps already if she had a solid as-steroid in her kit.
Sire Hippington4 votesagree, i think moveing away from the Q crits and focusing a bit more on her W dps is the right call. Not sure about the ult change. I can see her work with good in fight sustain if they cut down on her damage a bit, but on top of the W buffs it seems a bit much. I'd also prefer her W getting a samll flat damage portion like it used to rather than beeing all %, wouldn't be as utterly punishing for tanks while makeing it more meaningfull when fighting squishys aswell.
Jet Sett4 votesThis was probably intentional to calm everyone down after the initial big fuss they knew it would cause. "This all seems broken, but actually that one part was a bug haha, so the rest is fine right?" Even if these changes are totally ok, it was still good to pad the backlash preemptively.
Riotplaytestpenguin31 voteslol we wouldn't intentionally ship a bug to PBE just to mask our true intentions
Jorencice37 votesThat's exactly what a sneaky person would say. ;)
Eunson18 votesPenguins, the sneakiest of animals they are. Not to be trusted.
Big Lincoln5 votesor would you... ?
Jet Sett2 votesWell it wouldn't really be a bug if it was intentional. I'm not putting a tin foil hat on here and saying you without a doubt did that, it's just the bug itself being removed helped to ease tensions pretty conveniently. I fully believe that in the middle of changing number values for Vayne that Tumble bug popped up, but I'm also saying the bug was helpful in dealing with the inevitable community uproar.
Sorry for the accusation, it's pretty rude of me to try and tarnish your reputation with crazy conspiracy theories.
Spideraxe3 voteshey Penguino when is Patch Chat coming up?
Riotplaytestpenguin10 votesIt should be today but Cobra's out sick. I'll see if I can contact him or get his template to post it.
The Ender Cobra7 votesI don't feel sick
Rito Staff5 votesYeah he doesn't look sick to me. This penguin guy is suspicious, is he even a ritoer
Melledoneus15 voteslol we wouldn't intentionally ship a bug to PBE just to mask our true intentions
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THE D1C8 votesWatched it all. Worth
Shablagoo4 votesHonestly no one cares about anything other then the ult change, why would they even add that do they not know that lifesteal and shield/healing is op for supports rn. How can they think one of the adc's with the most survivability and outplay potential, needs more survivability? 2000 health turns to a 400 hp heal, thats massive considering lifesteal and shields. I dont understand why the balancing team does these things buffing her, even she is in a meta that she thrives in, is ok but this ult change is just stupid they are gonna hotfix it or remove it.
DaNinad3 votesFor proof of it being a bug if anyone was doubting it.
Project omen3 votesNope, still think the ult buff was unnecessary.
