Fizz can be balanced and keep his E

DeusVult··2 votes·861 views

But as long as he has any form of his W, he will never be balanced.

Everyone always hates on Fizz because of his E, because he can troll poll in and out, dodge skillshots, etc. But that is the unique part of his kit, as much as everyone hates to admit it. Fizz doesnt go bruiser top because of his E, or 1 shot squishies with his E, he uses it to escape. Fizz is an assassin, or at least he is meant to be.

But between Fizz's W and his passive, Fizz will never be balanced. "Wtf is his passive anyway you ask?" Well, Fizz never has to worry about creep block. And he takes reduced damage from autos. All autos, even minions. This helps him survive mid lane, but in top lane it helps him win trades. He can Q in, proc his W, and then walk or E out. Meanwhile, his opponent is stuck in the minion wall, and if Fizz uses E, he pops projectiles, and stops the minion agro. So if fizz goes in and autos, he can take 1-2 rounds of minion autos, all reduced from his passive, and then pop a third round. Meanwhile his opponent might take as many as 4 rounds of minion autos, plus the fizz burst and DOT. So Fizz wins almost all early game trades against melee opponents.

Then you get into his W. DOT on every auto?? Plus huge bonus damage for extending a fight just 2 seconds?? This lets Fizz build tanky, because regardless his auto damage will always be high. Buy an early sheen, and his damage is huge, then turn it into a Triforce.

As long as Fizz keeps his W, he will never be able to be balanced as a mid lane assassin when is easier and safer to just build bruiser and use W for most of your damage.

Fizz passive should only reduce damage from enemy champion ranged autos, and his W should be reworked into anything but an auto enhancer. Something with burst attached, but nothing to do with his autos. Line skillshot where he stabs with his trident? Net that he throws/sweeps in front of him? IDK, that's your job RITO, but please just change Fizz

9 Comments

Penns2 votes

I wouldnt really blame it on the "dot on every auto attack" because that thing does negative damage even when he builds AP. Its just that he can bully many top laners pretty hard with the early W base damage and especially with Ignite. He gets outscaled by most top laners at 2-3 items tho which is why I dont think he is that op in soloq.

DeusVult2 votes

I fail to see what your getting at; you say that W is bad, and then go on to say that he wins lane with it.

As far as scaling, he cant really kill the tank/bruiser top as quickly when they get 2-3 items, but he still can kill the enemy ADC/mage. And he will kill the enemy top laner in a duel outside of Fiora Camille who are probably the two strongest duelists in the game atm

Penns2 votes

His W passive is bad, he wins lane because at level 5-6 the W active has around 170 base damage + ~50 from Dorans/Dark Seal and runes.

Pommel Knight1 votes

Passive is there for the same reason Kassadins is. So they don't get stuck after using e or r.

DeusVult2 votes

The ghost is there so that he doesnt get stuck when he tries to trade against ranged mid laners. Yes, the same as Kass. But if was solely so that they dont get stuck, then all melee champs would have that passive.

But the reduced damage on his passive is meant to keep him alive against early auto-harass. But he only needs that mid lane. He doesnt need it top lane where he uses it to win trades.

Pommel Knight1 votes

No, it's there because kass and Fizz have blinks that can get them in the middle of minions or terrain which get's them stuck and unable to move. If you r as kass or e as Fizz into 3 caster minions the mele minions will swarm on you and you get stuck. The passives were made in order to prevent them getting stuck because of the use of their abilities.

Kass just teleports while Fizz becomes untargetable and losses aggro which resets the minions patihng and the can swarm him. Again no other champion has this interaction, all of them are targeted, do a lot of aoe dmg or have other abilities to wave clear.

Examples: Khazix has his w to aoe do dmg after jumping, which(The jump) will aggro minions before he lands. Kassadin and Fizz wont aggro, they just appear.

Fed by Snu Snu1 votes

I loved the part where they buffed his W to ensure that he doesn't lose out on CS in lane.

Titanium701 votes

No I do think so. The E is an ability for Fizz that is so DAMN CRUCIAL that it is on stupidly low CD - With a reasonable (Power-Buget reasonable) E CD - Fizz would basicly be unplayable! (Compared to Vlads Pool - Fizz E is ALWAYS BETTER still it 8-4s LESS CD just because it's so important!)

So as a contradiction I'd say:

  • Fizz can fullfill the fantasy of a squishy nimble fighter WITHOUT a reliance on instant untargetability!

(The W is just the ability that enables Tank-Fizz - but that's another story)

Joxcab1 votes

Or no, just nerf the base damage?

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