Holy shit why is this guy still not nerfed. He went 0/2/0 early, but once he got death's dance and tabis he began shitting on botlane. Then he managed to tank my full ap annie burst and lifesteal back to full in 3 autos.
Magical Zoe3 votesDraven doesn't need nerfs as he is one of the most hardest champions to play in the game and he becomes very rewarding when played right. However, 
is broken item right now that is being abused by too many marksmen and some top laners.
Dasdi962 votesDraven doesn't need nerfs as he is one of the most hardest champions to play in the game and he becomes very rewarding when played right. However,
Unfortunately once he gets all the skill that goes into playing him goes out the window as now he can brute force every fight and win. In fact both me and j4 managed to use our full combos on him and he still lived.
AL0001 votesHowever,
what?
is supposed to be for ad caster MELEE only... (ad caster bruiser, juggernaut and assassin)
Anyway I believe Draven's Q is somehow bug with death's dance.
Slythion1 votesThat doesn't change the fact that death's dance is being abused by marksmen everywhere...
what it was designed for has 0 relevance to an argument about what it is being used for
Yaskamasandwich2 votesDraven maybe a problem, however he does require the biggest amount of skill compared to all marksmen I believe. The problem isn't only Death's Dance, though that is the biggest offender now. It was the decision in the marksmen update in preseason 6 to let marksmen be able to build 5 or 6 offense items without any problems. This was when Phantom Dancer got that horrible damage reduction passive, Death's Dance creation, and buffing Mercurial Schimitar. Essence Reaver was created giving Marksmen cooldown reduction when Cooldowns were supposed to be their weakness since they have the most powerful auto attacks, now they can have both. Both Sterak's Gage and Maw of Malmortimus were abused. Now Guardian Angel was changed to an AD item. Before all this Bloodthirster got that shield to deny damage and burst even more so.
Giving AD items huge defensive boosts that makes even tanks cry was a horrible mistake. Marksmen at this point get essentilly the best of everything in their items. Massive AD, Lifesteal, shields, cleanse, more crit%, damage reduction, %hp damage, %hp dmg boost with armor pen, grievous wounds, essentially an exclusive revive. At this point it's harder to point out what marksmen don't have in their items. Other than AP and perhaps flat armor shred. Only because marksmen abused armor pen for massive early game power so they can't really use it anymore. Even then they probably still can.
oSEXYPLATYPUSo1 voteshow does draven take a full nuke from annie and not die cuz of ?
i understand how he sustain back but it dont really give any mr , hp or tank stats
Rewt1 votes30% of her entire burst is negated and then dealth over 3 seconds. This means he can lifesteal back in time.
oSEXYPLATYPUSo1 votesok so why dont annie have dft for keystone and ignite and 
that should combat the lifesteal and increase the DOT of her burst
Rewt1 votesHe was talking about the 1-2 items stage of the game where Annie isnt going to have a Morello or Liandries yet. Especially since the draven was 0/2/0 so you would figure that you can put those items off for a bit since he SHOULD be weak because he was put behind. Now he didnt account for if the draven was CSing well, but in concept its made sense why the annie wouldnt have the items to deal with a lifestealing ADC yet since he was behind before completing 2 very very very strong items in the game right now.
I do think Deaths dance is a completely busted item right now boasting one of the highest Lifesteal rates in the game with one of the Highest AD stats in the game with 30% negated damage re dealt over 3 seconds. It is essentially the power of 2 items in one. Its just such an amazingly gold efficient item that it catches people by surprise when upon completing 1 item you are incredibly more powerful.
Another part of this is in the early stages of the game most burst mages will BARELY be able to 100-0 you. They will maybe have 100 damage to spare. This means that if they can only do 2/3 of your HP right off the bat. They are waiting on cooldowns why you lifesteal back the damage that was dealt.
I think DD just needs to be looked at like this "What do we want this item to do? If we want it to be a burst negation tool cut the AD down to like 45. If we want it to be a sustain item we should cut the DR down to 15%." Something needs to be toned down on the item since right now its the Jack of all trades master of all AD Item.
ModFrom The Cosmos1 votesDraven is one of those champions that is super effective and easy to climb with, but at higher elo is easier to punish. Though I agree I feel his laning could take a hit in the very very early game, I don't think he's too crazy overpowered and is a big enough threat to be perma banned. The changes to Deaths dance definitely favored him as well as the zeal changes and Warlords being a thing.
Slythion1 votesEven higher elos are struggling to keep the big boy down, he's rocking about a 53% win-rate and a 7(ish)% play-rate in plat+
http://www.leagueofgraphs.com/champions/stats/draven/platinum http://champion.gg/champion/draven/ADC? https://na.op.gg/champion/draven/statistics/adc
I still don't understand why anyone thought doubling DD's passive would be ok without any abuse cases though...the thing should be toned down and Draven's mana costs should rise a bit in order to keep his laning phase in check
That's just my opinion though
GayFluffyUnicorn1 votesIf you want elo ban draven or twitch. Twitch is played less so yeah i'd perma draven. Unless you play botlane and can control him in laning phase, otherwise perma him.
Paradise Proxy1 votesI legit thought you were describing a game I played yesterday until I read "annie". Stomping a Draven 3 full tiers lower than me as Vayne, and the instant he gets DD/Tabi in a single back, he's impossible to do anything against.
VoraciousX1 votesIt's kinda disappointing how, I mentioned Draven being strong a patch or two ago, and everyone downvoted me and were being insulting when I was mentioning a Draven with mostly defensive AD items and one FULL defensive item(Gargoyle Stone Plate) 2 shot me as Shaco AFTER I did my combo while he took barely any damage from our team who kept falling like flies every time they got near him. Now people are realizing he's kind of a problem and are actually discussing it. Love the boards
Slythion1 votesMay I see the replay please?
(of the whole Annie burst thing)