Didn't we forget someone back then with the marksmen update?

SaltyToplaneGoat·Apr 4, 2016·2 votes·434 views

She's pretty much the Batman of league (even with dead parents!), so much potential for an awesome kit, yet she was completly forgotten...

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Baby GhoulApr 4, 20162 votes

She already has an awesome kit, one of the best in the game actually. She's our only tank slayer.

The problem is when she rises to the top the boards have a panic attack because nothing should stop our precious tanks. We even look the other way they're building pure tank, but still putting out tons of damage.

However I will say, after seeing what they turned Quinn and Graves into, I would think we'd all count ourselves lucky that they didn't try to rework her. She'd most likely break the game.

SaltyToplaneGoatApr 4, 20161 votes

Literally every adc building item 3153 item 3006 item 3031 item 3046 item 3036 + situational is a tank slayer, unless that tank is Rammus or Malphite.

Also, I think she has the potential for a REALLY good rework tho. The problem with Quinn is her hyper-mobility gimmic. The problem with graves is his tankyness. Both not niches vayne would fill. She'd be more of a marksmen focussing on close ranged combat (not melee, but a melee skill would work very well with her Tumble in -> slam them -> Condemm them away for example).

Some marksman/assassin, but with a lack of burst. That's something I can actually see working.

3TWarriorApr 4, 20161 votes

it's not the tank-killing that is her problem...it's that when she is a tankbuster, she suddenly becomes an "everything" buster

Baby GhoulApr 4, 20161 votes

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it's not the tank-killing that is her problem...it's that when she is a tankbuster, she suddenly becomes an "everything" buster

That's simply not true. If you're talking about her %heath true damage, then the math just simply isn't there to support it. That's one of the few unique things about Vayne, so I assume that's what you're talking about. All ADCs are designed to be scaling killing machines, you may or may not agree with that, but Vayne's niche is that she's naturally great at melting tanks. Sure she's deadly to everyone when she's fed, but can't you say that about every ADC?

Vayne is almost like any other ADC, except she's particularly deadly to tanks or fighters who build tanky. That's a role we need filled in this game, especially when tanks are building full tank and chunking health bars. And fighters are putting out so much damage with tank like qualities. That's not healthy.

SaltyKrackaApr 4, 20161 votes

She's got a pretty clear niche all of her own, and Riot said as much at the time.

So...no.

SaltyToplaneGoatApr 4, 20161 votes

You mean the thing Kindred and Lucian do 3 times more awesome (repositioning around fights with a short range skill)?

Or do you mean the tank shredding which is pure stat and damage application and has pretty much nothing to do with how her kit plays?

SaltyKrackaApr 4, 20161 votes

Actually, I meant the dueling and chasing.

SaltyToplaneGoatApr 4, 20161 votes

That's what many champs do. Not what I'd call a unique niche.

SaltyKrackaApr 4, 20161 votes

It's not what many ADCs do. Which is why they didn't change her.

Guyy FieriApr 4, 20161 votes

Unlike Kindred and Lucian, Vayne has a form of hard CC. And if you think about it, she is really the only ADC who wants to focus the tanks first. Her kit allows her to dip and dive and avoid the tanks' CC and makes it easier to focus out single targets at a time.

SaltyToplaneGoatApr 4, 20161 votes

ADCs generally shoot on everything that moves. If the tank is just in range, so be it. With armor being paper and AD items so strong, they melt away the tanks anyways...

ApocalypsicApr 4, 20161 votes

A lot of people got forgotten. Overhauling like six marksmen into being ridiculously OP and then practically ignoring the rest.

SaltyToplaneGoatApr 4, 20161 votes

For a moment I forgot Varus exists...

ApocalypsicApr 4, 20162 votes

[{quoted}](name=Kyoki Shinkuro,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=xdHFha4F,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2016-04-04T01:56:22.665+0000)

For a moment I forgot exists...

That's the gargoyle champ that scales on magic resist right :^)?

SaltyToplaneGoatApr 4, 20161 votes

No I think that was that undead guy with a shovel...but I'm not sure tho...

ApocalypsicApr 4, 20161 votes

[{quoted}](name=Kyoki Shinkuro,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=xdHFha4F,comment-id=0001000000000000,timestamp=2016-04-04T02:03:24.086+0000)

No I think that was that undead guy with a shovel...but I'm not sure tho...

No you're thinking of that other undead guy who shoots projectiles that can lock onto people under the right conditions.

ZorasamaApr 4, 20161 votes

You're confusing him with that winged guy with dildo sword.

SaltyToplaneGoatApr 4, 20161 votes

Wait, I thought that was a champ with white wings and a - burning - sword??

ApocalypsicApr 4, 20161 votes

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You're confusing him with that winged guy with dildo sword.

No you're getting it mixed up, I think you're talking about that crystal scorpion that likes to sting people.

SaltyToplaneGoatApr 4, 20161 votes

We have a scorpion in this game? o_O

therealdragonApr 4, 20161 votes

[{quoted}](name=Kyoki Shinkuro,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=xdHFha4F,comment-id=00010000000000000000000000010000,timestamp=2016-04-04T02:35:48.400+0000)

We have a scorpion in this game? o_O

can't tell if serious or sarcastic o.o

SaltyToplaneGoatApr 4, 20161 votes

Somtimes I'm so sarcastic I don't even know it myself <_<

3TWarriorApr 4, 20161 votes

they forgot Sivir too: Sivir ...she was even nerfed recently before the update because people could stack move speed boosts...I mean come on...she doesn't really even have an ult now and if your ping is over 100 it is near mpossible to E most skillshots or spells