Add an AP QSS upgrade?

JuiceBoxP·Jun 13, 2019·4 votes·2,070 views

I always found it a bit silly that is upgrade-able only into an AD item... At fullbuild only AD champions could benefit from QSS... Why not add an AP equivalent to ?

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RagnaveilJun 13, 20193 votes

Because if that happened, we would see Cleanse AP qss mids 24/7 with Zhonyas at the ready. Imagine trying to lock down a Ryze.

Its All SkillzzJun 13, 20192 votes

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Because if that happened, we would see Cleanse AP qss mids 24/7 with Zhonyas at the ready. Imagine trying to lock down a Ryze.

or fizz or akali or leblanc or ahri lol. ap qss item ap banshee ap zhonya and ap ga then a deathcap + void staff Gl killing this person ever.

RagnaveilJun 13, 20192 votes

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or fizz or akali or leblanc or ahri lol. ap qss item ap banshee ap zhonya and ap ga then a deathcap + void staff Gl killing this person ever.

Exactly. Doing this is asking for mages to be the overlords of the game.

Its All SkillzzJun 13, 20192 votes

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Exactly.

the ap ga and stuff was also something people been asking for. But can you imagine trying to lock down a fizz who has a zhonya ap qss ap ga and ap banshee.

RagnaveilJun 13, 20192 votes

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the ap ga and stuff was also something people been asking for. But can you imagine trying to lock down a fizz who has a zhonya ap qss ap ga and ap banshee.

Fucking christ....

wildfox9TJun 14, 20191 votes

But can you imagine trying to lock down a fizz who has a zhonya ap qss ap ga and ap banshee.

kinda like trying to kill any AD that build QSS + malmortius (+ orb as rune) as AP champ

and btw a fizz (or any AP champ) who build zhonya + AP qss + ga + banshee would deal 0 damage,you don't even need to catch them since they are already useless

they wouldn't get more than 1 defensive item for the same reason they don't already build zhonya + banshee,they would give up a lot of damage/mana pool/ultility (like gw of morello),also it would delay assassins build (QSS alone is 1300g) which is not exactly the best thing for a class that want to snowball (for the same reason you don't see item 3139 often on AD assassins unless it's not strictly necessary)

Critmaster GarenJun 14, 20193 votes

or delete mercurial and make item 3140 + item 1011 item.

also revert item 3026 to item 1057 + item 1031

Literal IRL TreeJun 13, 20192 votes

Why not give an AD equivalent to Zhonya?

Its All SkillzzJun 13, 20191 votes

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Why not give an AD equivalent to Zhonya?

same reason i listed above. Ad zhonya rengar/zed/yasuo any ad assassin/adc. Some items should not have adaptability.

Literal IRL TreeJun 13, 20192 votes

I'm just trying to prove a point to the OP on why something can't exist an AD Zhonya would break adc and an AP QSS would make mages too strong

JuiceBoxPJun 13, 20191 votes

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I'm just trying to prove a point to the OP on why something can't exist an AD Zhonya would break adc and an AP QSS would make mages too strong

Yeah, all of you guys have some pretty solid arguments... i am pretty convinced

wildfox9TJun 14, 20191 votes

item 3026 was literally meant to be that

Literal IRL TreeJun 14, 20191 votes

GA is not on the same level as Zhonya in power my friend

wildfox9TJun 14, 20191 votes

that's right,GA passive is WAY stronger than zhonya,that's why it have an higher cd

both can give you stasis,but GA will work even if you get CCd or instakilled by something,and it even restore some of your HP

i mean i don't like its current state (ik it feels bad for the low uptime) but if it would have a lower CD it would be broken,i think the best thing would be putting on it the same active as zhonya (with the same CD) and removing the current passive

The EcdysiastJun 13, 20191 votes

Okay, so think about this: Why aren't you just picking an AD equivalent to whatever AP champion you're playing? Would it be because the AP champion you're choosing has other strengths that no AD champion has?

KennekyJun 13, 20191 votes

If you want this, make it so AD champions can upgrade item 2419 into an AD version of Zhonya's hourglass, not just into item 3026 . Mages are already annoying with Stopwatch alone, they don't need another "escape" item.

wildfox9TJun 14, 20191 votes

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If you want this, make it so AD champions can upgrade into an AD version of Zhonya's hourglass, not just into .

so you have a ga AND an AD zhonya?

btw ga was meant to be the "AD zhonya",the effect it's different,both have their downsides but they do the same thing (giving you invulnerability for 2.5 sec)

Mages are already annoying with Stopwatch alone, they don't need another "escape" item.

never as annoying as an AD w/ orb + malmortius + QSS + mercs when playing an AP champion,or ADCs building wit's end + ga and become impossible to burst down,why are AD allowed to stack anti-AP items while APs can't do the same for AD?

also i remind that this "escape" item makes you stand still for 2.5 sec,so if you were out of position it will make things only worse,it only allows mages not to be a walking free kill for bruisers and assassins (based on what you wrote you look like one of those assassin/diver players who goes alone into 5 people and expect to oneshot someone),still more fair than most AD items that allow them to do anything they want while they are active and have much higher uptimes most of the times ( item 3812 item 3156 item 3140 just to make some examples)