Sylas heal is still total bullshit

JuiceBoxP·Feb 23, 2019·87 votes·22,043 views

So his healing got "nerfed" W - Kingslayer BASE HEAL 50/85/120/155/190 ⇒ 50/80/110/140/170

5-20 health from his BASE HEALING was reduced. are you fucking kidding riot? nerf his scaling! not the base healing! you didn't nerf shit.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OtlFd-LCzO4&feature=youtu.be this sylas received a WHOPPING 1.3k heal by simply clicking on a champion.

coupled with his 800 shield button, this amount of sustain is fucking ridiculous. bullshit champion

116 Comments

PhieldworkerFeb 23, 201935 votes

I mean he was level 18. Have you played against vlad? Has a point and click heal. He can heal more and faster than Sylas. Also it’s range

RagnaveilFeb 23, 20196 votes

summoner 14 Exists. Idk why people try to call "bullshit" when this sum exists on a 180 sec cd, and items like item 3033 and item 3165 got streamlined to be easier to access for their heal killing power.

JuiceBoxPFeb 23, 20196 votes

Because he is healing like a fucking soraka ult + w

LordGeovanniFeb 24, 20194 votes

Ha soraka doesnt heal that much

TengenToppaGnarFeb 24, 20196 votes

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Exists. Idk why people try to call "bullshit" when this sum exists on a 180 sec cd, and items like and got streamlined to be easier to access for their heal killing power.

You're joking right? Grevious wounds drops healing by 40% Thats 1300+ HP he's getting back for one move. MEANING 60% would still be obtained. Allow me to make this more clear. That 1300 would be 780+ HP Which is still a whopping freaking amount. But noooo, Grevious Wounds will answer the problem, no sweat. [zombie-brand-facepalm]

RagnaveilFeb 24, 20193 votes

Right, that heal is sooo op, its almost like it needs: I. Spirit Visage II. High AP bought III. CDR and most important of all: IIII. Him being at 40% hp or below to gain the huge heal. Stuns stop the cast and put it on cd btw.

TengenToppaGnarFeb 24, 20192 votes

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Right, that heal is sooo op, its almost like it needs: I. Spirit Visage II. High AP bought III. CDR and most important of all: IIII. Him being at 40% hp or below to gain the huge heal.

And? He still got a shield worth around 800pts. Pretty sure thats a huge safety net when entering below 40%Hp.

JuiceBoxPFeb 24, 20194 votes

That sylas didn't have spirit visage

JuiceBoxPFeb 23, 201914 votes

vlad doesn't heal this much. not anywhere near.... And it's not an excuse lol!

InfernapeFeb 24, 20198 votes

He does and can. His ultimate's maximum healing is 450 / 750 / 1050 (+ 210% AP).

Not to mention his empowered Q healing scales off his missing health and at maximum has a base healing value of 200 HP. If Vlad's low enough, has enough AP and uses his empowered Q on a champion, he can instantly heal most of his health bar in one go (usually over 3K HP) if no one has Grievous Wounds.

JuiceBoxPFeb 24, 20194 votes

Well, i say again... one abomination is no excuse for another abomination.

Hella Gay NerdFeb 24, 201910 votes

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He does and can. His ultimate's maximum healing is 450 / 750 / 1050 (+ 210% AP).

Not to mention his empowered Q healing scales off his missing health and at maximum has a base healing value of 200 HP. If Vlad's low enough, has enough AP and uses his empowered Q on a champion, he can instantly heal most of his health bar in one go (usually over 3K HP) if no one has Grievous Wounds.

You're grossly over exaggerating the amount of healing on Vlads empowered Q.

And his ult heal is on a delay so it's not the same thing. And you at least have to target it opposed to point and click.

HeimerLmaoFeb 24, 20199 votes

And it's an ult in comparison with a basic ability.

wildfox9TFeb 24, 20195 votes

yeah but vlad doesn't have dashes,hard CC,shields,he's way more telegraphed and have HP costs

this makes a big difference

you literally see his Q CD,his strong heal have a window of time for being used and he literally have to walk on you for using it (he only gets a small MS buff)

this allows some counterplay,you can just back off when his heal is up or try to CC him in this moment or force him to use his W so he won't be able to cast his empowered Q

sylas on the other hand only needs to be in range for getting his heal,his W is always up (ofc if it's not in CD) and there is not much you can do for playing around it

also being melee is not an excuse

honesly i hate this argument,being melee doesn't mean anything when they give you the tools for compensating that

his Q have a good range and acts as threat so enemies don't get near too easily,he have better base stats,a lot of CCs and dashes/gap closers,unlike vlad he doesn't have much problems on using his heal which is in my opinion one of the main problems (either nerf the heal or the reliability)

VerxintFeb 26, 20192 votes

Vlad has to consume 10% of his max HP for one of his main damage abilities that is meant to be spammed, only gets that heal every other cast, has no hard cc, has to use his one defensive tool (which costs a ton of his HP) or hit a fully charged E (costs 10% of his HP, can be blocked by minions) if he wants a soft CC that isn't even that strong, doesn't get a shield, doesn't have any dashes, has an absolutely atrocious early game and a mediocre mid game, has to hit 5 targets with his ultimate to get that healing number, doesn't get his empowered Q healing if he doesn't use it within a few seconds of getting the buff, and only gets that healing every other cast at best.

You can't just point to one ability value and say it's the same thing without comparing everything else the champions have available.

ODiiiiiNFeb 24, 20193 votes

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I mean he was level 18. Have you played against vlad? Has a point and click heal. He can heal more and faster than Sylas. Also it’s range

That's Vlad's whole game though. Sylas gets 300 other toys to play with.

-dash -stun -quick burst w/ slow down -have 5 different ults (9 if he's playing against another Sylas in blind) -and the shield w/ that amazing heal

He's busted... but so are all the new champs they come out with. They aint gonna lose money nerfing his ass to death right after launch.

SaiannaFeb 24, 20199 votes

Vlad is an vampire. That is his theme. It'd be fucking weird if he sucked at... sucking. Sylas is some hobo with chains. Totally different theme. Where does he get health from, or why?

Themes aside don't compare apples to oranges, otherwise you should also compare those 2 with ADCs that can heal even faster, because lifesteal is busted stat

PB4UAMEFeb 25, 20191 votes

Actually, Vlad heals a much lower amount, and he has to stack up for his third Q for it to even be comparable, and be missing massive chunk of HP. Even then, he STILL gets out healed, and its on a much longer cooldown.

PhieldworkerFeb 25, 20191 votes

you have to look at it this way. Vlad’s heal is spammable like an attack speed adc while Sylas heal is more of a once ever so often like jhin’s autos. Jhin hits like a truck but it isn’t as often and quick as the attack speed adc. Sylas heal does a ton but then it’s on a cd for like 6-14 seconds. Vlad’s heal is smaller but can be used every 2-9 seconds (both short times depending on cdr) and it does really still do a bunch.

Kind of a stretch analogy but I still stand by it that Vladimir’s heal is super stronger too not just Sylas who has to get within range to do it.

GlîtchyFeb 25, 20192 votes

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you have to look at it this way. Vlad’s heal is spammable like an attack speed adc while Sylas heal is more of a once ever so often like jhin’s autos. Jhin hits like a truck but it isn’t as often and quick as the attack speed adc. Sylas heal does a ton but then it’s on a cd for like 6-14 seconds. Vlad’s heal is smaller but can be used every 2-9 seconds (both short times depending on cdr) and it does really still do a bunch.

Kind of a stretch analogy but I still stand by it that Vladimir’s heal is super stronger too not just Sylas who has to get within range to do it.

Bad comparison, Vlad uses HP to use anything in his kit so he needs that heal

five oh tree Feb 23, 201928 votes

I hate to agree with a rant post. . . But damn do I agree. It wouldn't feel so bad if it weren't point-click.

I hate how much power they loaded into his defensive tools.

I don't even know if he's necessarily overpowered, but I hate his W with all my heart.

PhieldworkerFeb 23, 20195 votes

He isn’t op but the heal is strong.

Votable JesterFeb 24, 20193 votes

I mainly hate his W for being just a stupid ability in general. It has nothing to do with him as a champion and is almost raw numbers. There's almost no skill in its use, the animation looks like a spasm, and it really doesn't provide much interesting play.

SiG DxDFeb 23, 201914 votes

what a dumb design why does it heal more the lower he is overpowered as fk

aatroxSupertopFeb 24, 20192 votes

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what a dumb design why does it heal more the lower he is overpowered as fk

no more like he has shit tanky mage itemization and riot had to compensate with his w

SweedishGunnerFeb 23, 201913 votes

He has buffs on the PBE as well, he's literally getting picked in pro play semi-regularly and they want to make him stronger.

koshkyraFeb 23, 201912 votes

He has too many defensive options after building purely offensive.

RalanrFeb 23, 201910 votes

Wow. How fed was he?

AseraanFeb 23, 20199 votes

I just dont understand why is it has to be point and click?

Anime FizzFeb 23, 20197 votes

Sylas makes old pre-rework vlad with old revolver look weak lmao.

His W is completely broken.

BrothaFeb 24, 20196 votes

Ekko had his passive slow removed because he had "too much cc" for his mobility, healing, and shield. Keep in mind his heal is his ultimate and his shield have a very long cooldown.

Meanwhile Sylas has his shield on a much shorter cooldown, a knock up, a range slow and the one thing that can never be accounted or balanced for, whoevers ultimate he chooses to steal. High impact AP converted ultimates. He can have an AoE knock up, a Supression, or ranged nuke attached to that high CC, High mobility, High healing, and high shielding kit. He isn't just a swiss army knife of a champion, his kit on its own is strong enough to synergize well with every single ultimate in the game. Just disgustingly overloaded, I say remove the heal all together and put a bit more dmg in his kit and he will feel better.

Z3SleeperFeb 24, 20195 votes

It's just way too binary. It's downright pitiful when he's behind but beyond disgusting when he's ahead.

There's just no middle ground. It needs to scale more modestly to where being behind doesn't make it useless and being ahead doesn't make it bonkers.

Hell I'd say just remove rank scaling entirely. Make the healing scale with level and make ranking it up only increase the damage and lower the cooldown.

GelsominoKillerFeb 24, 20194 votes

In all honesty I'd rather have a champion balanced around extremely strong cooldown-gated sustain, than around crazy burst in a rotation.

Sylas damage is quite mild so I feel like it's kinda fair he has high moments.

3TWarriorFeb 24, 20193 votes

well, he is a diver? people are more likely to build him bulky to take advantage of his high defenses and crowd control

something else that people likely have not noticed yet...his kit has not one but TWO auto attack resets in it which is some fairly high burst if you weave in auto attacks

let's say he's level 3 with 1 point in each ability

he moves in range to attack or his opponent engages him. he auto attacks, w, auto, e, auto, q auto

if that trade happens, he's dealt (at least if I remember the reset system right), 3 to 4 minimum auto attacks, (which is 180 - 240), 30 + 60% ap minimum for his passive(at level 3), (45 to 90 + 60 to 120% ap ), 60 + 55% ap , 70 + 20% ap

for a total of 385 to 490 + 195% ap to 255% AP even with just item 1056 and AP runes, that brings the total up to potentially (as 33 AP with just basic stuff and still higher possible), 449 to 574 in one trade

for reference, talon can deal at level 2 : 85 + 200 bonus AD + 65 + 110% bonus ad + 120 + 100% bonus AD. if we go by just stats and long sword, that's around 20 bonus AD and then 1 auto attack(70 + 20 = 90) for a total of 440 plus any additional auto attacks

talon can weave in a few auto attacks to amp it up more, but sylas has some rather high base damages and decent AP ratios for all that he can do

#this does not account for their runes either

YamiBakura322Feb 24, 20194 votes

Here is a joke with Nunu Q

Doctor DianaMar 2, 20191 votes

he doesnt do as much damage tho

MankeyMadnessFeb 23, 20193 votes

Why is a 190 heal on a non support permitted in the first place? Worse when you have Soraka on your team. 450AP Sylas with W + Soraka R....

Support PositionFeb 24, 20193 votes

Getting buffed next patch. The heal btw.

Anchorit WracajFeb 24, 20194 votes

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Getting buffed next patch. The heal btw.

Is riot serious? https://www.leagueofgraphs.com/champions/overview/diamond Lets look at Diamond win rate. Sylas have 16.3% Pick rate,49.3% Win rate,36.1% Ban rate. If SYLAS needs a buff.Then surely following champions need. Why the F you buff him,if he have HIGHER WIN RATE,HIGHER BAN RATE,HIGHER PICK RATE Then following champions. Lux is at 7.9% Pick rate,49.3% Win rate,0.4% Ban rate,she needs WAY MORE BUFFS THEN SYLAS,AND IS WEAKER THEN SYLAS IN EVERY RATE Illaoi is at 2.5% Pick rate,49.3% Win rate,1.7% Ban rate,HE NEEDS WAY MORE BUFFS THEN SYLAS,AND IS WEAKER THEN SYLAS IN EVERY RATE Kassadin is at 6.8% Pick rate,49.3% Win rate,15.7% Ban rate.HE NEEDS WAY MORE BUFFS THEN SYLAS,AND IS WEAKER THEN SYLAS IN EVERY RATE Xin zhao is at 7.7% Pick rate,49.2% Win rate,10.3% Ban rate,HE NEEDS WAY MORE BUFFS THEN SYLAS,AND IS WEAKER THEN SYLAS IN EVERY RATE. Same goes for Leblanc,Singed,Gragas,Cassiopeia,Corki,Braum,Caitlyn,Nautilus,Veigar,Shyvana,Galio,Fiora,Master yi,Diana,Pyke,Lee sin,Maokai,Hecarim,Orianna,Nasus,Sion,Tryndamere,Shen,Alistar,Karma,Jhin,Nocturne,Cho gath,Urgot,Viktor,Graves,Syndra,Rakan,Amumu,Neeko,Gnar,Gankplank,Garen,Xayah,Ornn,Trundle,Varus,Tahm Kench,Mundo,Ryze,Aatrox,Akali.

So where is BUFFS to that champions?

Riot is just buffing their favorite champions,just go F ur self u trash company. Sylas maybe needs buffs..BUT WHEN EVERY SINGLE OF THESE CHAMPION GETS BUFFED BEFORE,CUS ITS CLEARLY THEY'RE IN WEAKER POSITION THEN SYLAS. Every single champion I listed,have 1.Lower Pick rate,2.Lower Win rate,3Lower ban rate. And yeh..you decided to buff sylas. Ure buffing champions u just like to play. What a fkin company.

OHminusFeb 24, 20191 votes

Let's not buff Kassadin, Pyke, Urgot, Viktor, Graves, Leblanc, Cassiopeia, Xin and Diana.

Weaker than x champ doesn't automatically mean that they deserved to be buffed.

Anchorit WracajFeb 24, 20193 votes

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Let's not buff Kassadin, Pyke, Urgot, Viktor, Graves, Leblanc, Cassiopeia, Xin and Diana.

Weaker than x champ doesn't automatically mean that they deserved to be buffed.

Dude...look at cho gath,look at dr mundo,look at trundle,look at singed,amumu,maokai... Why does Sylas needs buff.If theres is 60 champions that have lower winrate+banrate+pick rate? Tell me,why does she needs buff OVER THEM? Il wait for ur answer,just explain me.

JuiceBoxPFeb 24, 20192 votes

They're not done selling his skins just yet, i'll give him at least 6 months more of being broken and maybe then they'll tone him down

OHminusFeb 24, 20191 votes

What the fuck are you even saying?

Just because champs have lower pick/win/ban rates than champion x doesn't mean all those champs need buffs.

Sylas doesnt need buffs, fuck off.

Anchorit WracajFeb 24, 20192 votes

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What the fuck are you even saying?

Just because champs have lower pick/win/ban rates than champion x doesn't mean all those champs need buffs.

Sylas doesnt need buffs, fuck off.

It doesn't matter if somebody hate some champion. If that champion have decent win rate,HIGH ban rate,HIGH PICK RATE. IT MEANS HE DOESN'T NEEDS A BUFF,CAUSE HES ALREADY IN BETTER POSITION THEN 70 champions bellow him as I listed. So SYLAS DOESNT NEED A BUFFS.

MrFawknSunshineFeb 24, 20192 votes

funny thing about this game that is shown in the clip.

Sylas ddint have the most damage healed in the game.

Damage Healed 3.7k Lux 4.9k EZ 6.0k Kat 34.5k Hec 13.2k Yorick 9.0k Sylas 6.7k Jhin 24.9k Nami 11.9k Tryn 8.6k Shaco

so in this game hec, yorick, nami and tryn all out healed sylas with shaco very even to sylas

the only person on the OP team that build healing reduction was Kat with item 3165

the LUX (OP ) went with a item 3100 over either a item 3165 or a item 3151

so with a Tryndamere who has a heal on his Q out healed the broken heal of sylas hec who has a heal on his W that scales with AP (who dont build ap) out healed the broken heal of sylas by 25.5k

so please if you want to cry over something lets not be bias

sphinxthelion7Feb 24, 20196 votes

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funny thing about this game that is shown in the clip.

ddint have the most damage healed in the game.

Damage Healed 3.7k Lux 4.9k EZ 6.0k Kat 34.5k Hec 13.2k Yorick 9.0k Sylas 6.7k Jhin 24.9k Nami 11.9k Tryn 8.6k Shaco

so in this game hec, yorick, nami and tryn all out healed sylas with shaco very even to sylas

the only person on the OP team that build healing reduction was Kat with

the LUX (OP ) went with a over either a or a

so with a who has a heal on his Q out healed the broken heal of sylas hec who has a heal on his W that scales with AP (who dont build ap) out healed the broken heal of sylas by 25.5k

so please if you want to cry over something lets not be bias

Your comment is irrelevant. Overall healing with pots and items passively to large total at the end of game has nothing to do with the insta heal ability that wins battles. These are two different things. You are comparing apples and oranges. Yes they are both fruit, but only one makes for good pies.

wildfox9TFeb 24, 20192 votes

you're totally wrong,they both makes good pies

five oh tree Feb 24, 20195 votes

You realize Hecarim, Yorick, Nami, Tryn, and Shaco ALL HAVE HEALING THAT DOES NOT REQUIRE YOU TO BE 100 UNITS FROM AN ENEMY CHAMPION

Had to bold that entire sentence because that's a very important distinction.

Hecarim and shaco both are healing off jg creeps since level 1 thanks to their jg items.

Hec has healing in his kit as well that is constantly being proc'd in the jg.

I don't know why I even have to talk about Nami, who spams heal from level 2.

Yorick has a heal on his q, which he is using to spam push waves all game.

Tryn builds lifesteal AND has a heal on his q.

So Sylas healed A LOT, because that's all from one ability that is being used solely against champions.

wildfox9TFeb 24, 20192 votes