The Problem With Riven, And Many Others.

Sur Potato·5/14/2019, 10:46:23 AM·3 votes·2,276 views

Riven is one of the most grotesque examples so we'll be using her.

So...on top of having next to no CDs , one of three shields in the game that scales with AD the other two being Urgot who has a longer CD and mana(and he is still busted mind you but not really for that reason tbh) and Kled who's AD shield is packed into his Ultimate while Rivens is on a 3 sec(6 post nerf thank the gods) with one of the highest base shield HP in the game, as well as scaling with 150% of her AD...which again there are three moves that do that ...in the game...the other two are an ult....and a significantly longer CD move with MANA! moving away from that for a moment....Riven also has an AOE stun...an AoE execute with an AD steroid making her shield, AND DAMAGE even more fun and interactive, an aoe Knock up....4 dashes all with no mana, and thanks to riots brilliant idea to ,for some ungodly reason, REDUCE THE CD ON HER Q she'll now be even MORE MOBILE! and the funny thing is....they could do this, they could make her a spam champion with all of this garbage and make her so much easier to fight, and balance, by giving this mess and most of the other champions like her Mana (or at least energy, which is barely better lets be honest here)

now certain champions should probably remain manaless, like Garen, they're simple and straightforward as well as making them more friendly to newer players. but Champions like Riven, really need the mana to hold them in Check. there's not any thought put into it, they just GO and keep GOING because they don't get punished for it. they don't run out of mana. they're RARELY ,if ever, caught without one of their 4 dashes or shields or a dash AND a shield, off CD.

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The JigSAW5/14/2019, 1:17:14 PM3 votes

I'll fight Riven any damn day of the week over Yasuo. Hell, I'll fight Vayne and Riven over him - at least they have cooldowns over 3 seconds.

Zaghyr5/14/2019, 8:33:57 PM2 votes

The Problem With Posts Like This, and Many Others.

Your post is one of the most grotesque exampls so I'll be using it.

So...on top of having next to no CDs , one of three shields in the game that scales with AD the other two being Urgot who has a longer CD and mana(and he is still busted mind you but not really for that reason tbh) and Kled who's AD shield is packed into his Ultimate while Rivens is on a 3 sec(6 post nerf thank the gods) with one of the highest base shield HP in the game, as well as scaling with 150% of her AD...which again there are three moves that do that ...in the game...the other two are an ult....and a significantly longer CD move with MANA!

The Cooldown argument that has been beaten to death. I get that she is frustrating with SoS, but early her cooldowns are not that low, only if she is rushing a lot of CDR early. She has one of 3 AD scaling shields in the game......and? At face value, what's the problem with having an AD scaling shield? And your reason for her having an AD scaling shield is problematic because its nitpicking details of abilities.

Yes Urgot's AD scaling shield has a mana cost and a long cooldown, but what does it also do? Gap-close, Damage, CC, and the shield itself has a higher AD ratio and duration and even has a bonus HP ratio. Riven's does not have damage or CC, and only has a 1.5 second duration.

Kled's AD Scaling shield is a long range Movement ability that grants allies movement speed, does damage, CC's, and has a massive Shield, but as you said, it IS his Ult.

So what do their shields have that Riven's doesn't? Damage, CC, other effects, longer duration. NATURALLY they would have trade-offs for having more things involved with the ability. Riven's E does 2 things, dash and shield. Not to mention that her shield only has 1.5 second duration and a lower AD scaling than even Urgot's shield at 100% bonus AD, not the 150% AD that you said (seriously if you are going to complain at least get your numbers right). She also needs the higher base Shield and frequency because she's squishier than both of these champions. Urgot has higher base defensives and is ranged, and Kled has far more health because of Skarl and a brief invulnerability.

moving away from that for a moment....Riven also has an AOE stun...an AoE execute with an AD steroid making her shield, AND DAMAGE even more fun and interactive, an aoe Knock up....4 dashes all with no mana, and thanks to riots brilliant idea to ,for some ungodly reason, REDUCE THE CD ON HER Q she'll now be even MORE MOBILE! and the funny thing is....they could do this, they could make her a spam champion with all of this garbage and make her so much easier to fight, and balance, by giving this mess and most of the other champions like her Mana (or at least energy, which is barely better lets be honest here)

Without going into much detail, this is just pointless rambling. All you are doing is listing things in her kit and complaining that they exist. This is the issue with EVERY QQ post that comes up. There is no actual criticism and suggestion, the only thing present is the person listing everything in her kit and saying that she's problematic because she has this list of things in her kit, not WHY things in her kit are problematic.

now certain champions should probably remain manaless, like Garen, they're simple and straightforward as well as making them more friendly to newer players. but Champions like Riven, really need the mana to hold them in Check. there's not any thought put into it, they just GO and keep GOING because they don't get punished for it. they don't run out of mana. they're RARELY ,if ever, caught without one of their 4 dashes or shields or a dash AND a shield, off CD.

I do think Riven could use some for of gating on her kit, I'm just not sure that Mana is the way to do it.

This needs to be in RANT, not Gameplay. This is ranting about a problem in a way that offers absolutely nothing.