the problem with AD scaling shields, is that there's a reason champions like lee have a shield but it scales with AP, because allowing them to build damage while also getting a defensive attribute from it is hardly fair, beause riot has said and balanced the game around AD being valued higher.
'because allowing them to build damage while also getting a defensive attribute from it is hardly fair'. What isn't fair is only applying this logic to AD scaling shields. Every AP scaling shield also follows this logic and that is why it is a poor argument. What really matters for AD shields isn't that they exist, but how far they scale. Like you said, AD is valued higher than AP, but that doesn't mean AD shields shouldn't exist, it just means they just be handled differently in terms of scaling.
the point of the post is to point out how mindless champions like riven with no mana are and how they don't really get punished for spamming their kit, further more if you had read the damn post you'd have seen that there was actual criticism it was, agian, that these manaless champions are(for the most part with rare exception) toxic. not broken, not over powered, just toxic IE unfun to play against.
I wouldn't say champions like Riven are mindless and don't get punished, Riven certainly isn't mindless and can easily get punished, especially early, its just her mid-late game most people have an issue with, hence her E cooldown nerf. Of all the manaless champions the only one that I think is truly mindless is Garen, even if he is intended to be new player friendly. And I know you had some criticism, but my problem is how much non-criticism one has to sift through to get to it. Be specific with the criticism and offer specific suggestions for the problems present. And if your underlying point is that these champions are toxic (in design) and don't want someone to misinterpret that as broken or over powered, then say so.
Riven has plenty of defensive options with her 4 dashes on a VERY low Cooldown, as well as hard AOE CC. also good, most champions that aren't tanks shouldn't and don't have such a powerful defensive tool built into their kit when its not their job to be a tank riven is very clearly designed to deal damage but she has a very powerful CC, survivability, mobility, and burst kit.
I wouldn't classify her dashes or CC as defensive option because they are also offensive options. Her dashes specifically have several drawbacks that I don't think you are considering either, and their defensive power (if used that way) are only problematic later in the game when she actually has all that CDR. Her CC, ya I can see the problems with it, but individually they aren't that strong, their strength comes from her cancelling and mobility. And Riven isn't the only one with these traits even if they aren't tanks, there are a number of other fighters and even mages that have several forms of CC, mobility, survivability and burst. Riven is a jack of all trades fighter champion, but that isn't necessarily a problem, her main issue is just being overtuned which is more problematic when she is because of her cancelling.
because you don't like or even agree with the opinions offered here doesn't make it a rant just like me disagreeing with everything you've said doesn't make yours a rant.
The way you wrote your first giant paragraph, in my eyes, is clearly a rant. The last paragraph isn't, you actually had something to say about it and I generally agree with what you said there
i clearly deconstructed the problem with her kit, being low CD and no mana so there's not incentive for critical thinking, and offered a solution in Mana to curb that. because increasing her Cooldowns would probably actually ruin the champion. allow her to abuse her low CD's for a while before exhausting her mana, leaving a wider window of opportunity for counterplay.
Again my main problem is that it took you until the very end of the post to actually address what you thought the key issues were. You could have gone more in-depth and you probably should have because I don't think you deconstructed it per se, but you definitely hit some of the huge pain points. Now her not requiring critical thinking I blatantly disagree with, but I do agree that just increasing her cooldowns would just kill her. There are other ways of giving a wider window of opportunity for counterplay besides Mana and cooldowns, surely, but mainly cooldowns will do the trick, and this is mostly an issue mid-late game when she has max or near max CDR. I personally think she needs some form of gating or another way to better balance her, but as I said earlier, I don't think Mana is the way to go.
though i will cede you one point...i was wrong on her AD ratio on her shield....my bad....
I see this too often. I completely understand typing something in the heat of the moment, but this happens so often nowadays, when like, the wiki exists, it's there... Although you might of been thinking of Urgot's shield ratio when you typed that because his IS 150% bonus AD.
