Goodbye Silence

Sur Potato·May 14, 2019·3 votes·1,189 views

Silence is the most cancerous thing in a cancer riddled game so lets get rid of that shall we.

Garren Q now an interupt instead of a silence, maybe even a Slow if they're the villian.

Soraka W now an Aoe blink interupt, and slow, still has the root at the end but probably make it shorter since the slow would make it easier to root.

Cho'Gath Wnow aoe Slow that degrades overtime, slow duration increased if targets facing away. remove Slow from E.

Blitz R now an aoe Interupt, already does good aoe damage on a short ass cooldown.

Fiddlesticks needs jesus and a total rework so idk what to do here tbh, make it an interupt and maybe a slow? wait for rework and hope for the best here honestly.

anyway because it's league i'm sure there won't be anything but flame so bring the hate lads.

18 Comments

JamareeMay 14, 20195 votes

You haven't made any kind of argument on why silences are cancer, what do you expect?

Sur PotatoMay 14, 20191 votes

do....you enjoy silence in the game? do you find it fun and interactive with intuitive counterplay?

JamareeMay 14, 20195 votes

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do....you enjoy silence in the game? do you find it fun and interactive with intuitive counterplay?

That is such an odd way to phrase that question. I mean, the counterplay of silence comes with the skill it is tied to, not the CC itself. Silence is the weakest CC in the game, if not tied with the weakest depending on the situation.

xDogMeatxMay 14, 20191 votes

actually slows are the weakest (depending on its strength of course) it allows you to do everything while silences block 1000 dashs/summoner spells (in other words you got put on a involuntary CD on your abilities for a couple more seconds) in other words if your silenced you have wayyyy less defenses then a slow in those seconds that offer a death sentence.

JamareeMay 14, 20191 votes

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actually slows are the weakest (depending on its strength of course) it allows you to do everything while silences block 1000 dashs/summoner spells (in other words you got put on a involuntary CD on your abilities for a couple more seconds) in other words if your silenced you have wayyyy less defenses then a slow in those seconds that offer a death sentence.

Like I said, depends on the situation.

Sur PotatoMay 14, 20191 votes

not really, it's a game so the first question everyone should be asking is "is this fun to play with, and or to play against' yet it's always seen as the oddest fuckin thing lol.

also...what? it's just shy of a stun...its basically a stun! you can't use shit in it and other than raka's you can't even move out of it. its just powerful enough to be crippling, while also not powerful enough to warrent blowing QSS(which if there were more items QSS built into this honestly wouldn't even be a problem) on it because stun/root are slightly stronger. but the main problem with these things is they're damn near instant. most stuns have a delay, or a skillshot, most roots are similar. the remaining silences are enhanced auto, aoe instant, aoe instant skillshot, delayed aoe target area skillshot, and targeted. hell even making the silences delayed or skillshots would make em way better to interact with.

JamareeMay 14, 20192 votes

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not really, it's a game so the first question everyone should be asking is "is this fun to play with, and or to play against' yet it's always seen as the oddest fuckin thing lol.

I don't enjoy being stunned, suppressed, knocked up, slowed, knocked back, snared, or any CC for that matter, so I'm not really sure how fun is a factor.

also...what? it's just shy of a stun...its basically a stun!

It isn't a stun, it isn't anything like a stun, or even close to a stun.

you can't use shit in it

Except continue to move?

and other than raka's you can't even move out of it.

Except you can move away from it.

its just powerful enough to be crippling, while also not powerful enough to warrent blowing QSS(which if there were more items QSS built into this honestly wouldn't even be a problem) on it because stun/root are slightly stronger. but the main problem with these things is they're damn near instant. most stuns have a delay, or a skillshot, most roots are similar. the remaining silences are enhanced auto, aoe instant, aoe instant skillshot, delayed aoe target area skillshot, and targeted. hell even making the silences delayed or skillshots would make em way better to interact with.

Complain about it being instant then, not just about them in general.

Sur PotatoMay 14, 20191 votes

Stun prevents you from moving, attacking, and casting abilities. silence prevents you from casting abilities, and unlike a stun actually has no counterplay because as stated before, which you curiously chose to omit in your respose, is that silences are instant...and stuns for the most part are not.

JamareeMay 14, 20192 votes

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Stun prevents you from moving, attacking, and casting abilities. silence prevents you from casting abilities

Exactly, so nothing like a stun.

and unlike a stun actually has no counterplay because as stated before, which you curiously chose to omit in your respose, is that silences are instant...and stuns for the most part are not.

I don't think you can use the whole omit responses thing when you omit the stuns that are instant, like Udyr's slap, TF's gold card, Annie's stun, Renekton's W, Riven's W, or Sona's ulti

Sur PotatoMay 14, 20191 votes

are you illiterate? stun and silence share 1/3 of the same phrasing....on top of that i said MOST stuns are delayed or a skillshot, and then you go and use two skillshot stuns in your attempt to what...defend silence? annie and sona ults can MISS and annie also has to charge her passive....AND THEY ARE ULTIMATES! are you really going to compare sona ultimate to cho'gath W? really?

JamareeMay 14, 20192 votes

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are you illiterate? stun and silence share 1/3 of the same phrasing.

Aren't then, all cc except for slows are equal power then, I mean snares stop movement so they are like stuns then by your logic.

on top of that i said MOST stuns are delayed or a skillshot, and then you go and use two skillshot stuns in your attempt to what...defend silence?

When you compare them to stuns, yes?

annie and sona ults can MISS and annie also has to charge her passive....AND THEY ARE ULTIMATES!

Annie can use her stun on any of her damaging abilities, including her point and click Q.

And Cho Gath W can't miss, or Soraka's, or Blitzcrank R? Because if you are saying Annie and Sona's ultimates can miss, well so can those silences.

are you really going to compare sona ultimate to cho'gath W? really?

No, I'm comparing instant stuns to instant silences.

Sur PotatoMay 14, 20191 votes

jesus you have some poor logic. guess i'll use crayons this time.

so for starters, ultimates are supposed to be stronger than basic abilities. why? because GENERALLY(meaning most of the time, ie on average) they have longer cooldowns. so when sona lands an aoe instant stun....thats mitigated(offset or balanced) by the longer cooldown. Twisted Fate has to cycle his cards, and gives an indicator he's using his stun card creating a window of DELAY( or time for counterplay) for the opponent. annie must charge her abilities, which then creates a display(again a window for counterplay) for the opponent, Udyr must be in the correct stance, and be in melee(providing windows of counterplay) as well as having near(almost not equal too) the shortest stun duration in the game

xDogMeatxMay 14, 20191 votes

you mean like zoes sleep bubble as a example?

Sur PotatoMay 14, 20191 votes

ya problem with her though is she can launch that shit at mach 6 from FoW or in lane just ult on top of you point blank bubble and then there's not much you can do. marginally better than an instant blanket silence though....at least the sleep has a delay.

G Master HungMay 14, 20191 votes

There actually used to be a shit ton of silences in the game that has since been removed. The champs that have silences have them because that's the main part of their ability, Cho'Gath without his silence on w is just a poor ass ap scaling ability with no cc whatsoever, Garen Q is designed to deal a silence and it does a bit of extra damage but that's about it. Champs with silences most of the times need that to function in an ability. They removed a bunch of them like Kassadin Q, Leblanc chain, and Talon old E.

xDogMeatxMay 14, 20191 votes

i bet old talon E looked badass though. too bad i didnt see it.

Sur PotatoMay 14, 20191 votes

not....really? i mean chogath W is still a 70% ap ratio, and if we just removed the silence without adding a slow or anything he would still have true damage, scaling HP from his ult, a knockup, and % max HP on his E with a slow. Garen i think honestly would benifit from the Q being changed to a slow rather than a silence, make him stick a bit easier as if he'll ever get there in the first place lol. so no these champs don't really NEED the silence to function. kass, and a lot of the other champions( as you mentioned) had their silence removed and for the most part were improved for it. because silence is such a pain in the ass to balance riots admited that themselves during the aforementioned silence purge.