Why i can only dodge Once per day ?

jng dif victim·May 13, 2019·13 votes·5,633 views

So u give me 4 teammates with 30% winrate and 3 autofilled teammates 2 times in a row and if i dodge for second time i lose 10 LP ? almost as much as a lost ? So i have to choose between taking -10 LP dodge or -20LP LOSE ? i Think -3 LP and 6 min penalty is enough why it should increase ?? There are so much problems with match making right now if u are not fixing them at least give me the option to dodge .

So actually u think with doing this u are helping people to dont dodge but in reality u are forcing players like me to play on their smurfs instead because no one plays after their first dodge untill next day because they afraid to get bad team and cannot dodge again so after the first dodge they just switch to smurf account .

28 Comments

IShowerWithUrDadMay 13, 20199 votes

Dodging should simply not be a legitimate strategy. Also, players in a game have approximately the same MMR, so even if your team has a 30% win rate, you should have equal odds with the enemy team.

Pandemic PunchMay 13, 20198 votes

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Dodging should simply not be a legitimate strategy. Also, players in a game have approximately the same MMR, so even if your team has a 30% win rate, you should have equal odds with the enemy team.

So you should be forced to play with a Blitzcrank ADC?

Nik NikersonMay 13, 20192 votes

Sometimes, yeah.

jng dif victimMay 13, 20193 votes

u remind me of that guy who was complaining about trolls on boards and he was playing support JINX.

Nik NikersonMay 13, 20191 votes

And you remind me of my 12 year old niece, whom also can't type out the word "you". Not sure why either fact is relevant to the conversation at hand though.

Sometimes you get a troll. It sucks. It's also part of any game where you get matched up with random teammates. So occasionally, yes, you have to play with one.

jng dif victimMay 13, 20192 votes

Sometimes you get a troll. It sucks. It's also part of any game where you get matched up with random teammates. So occasionally, yes, you have to play with one.

well when i know i have a troll in my team in champ select why should i take it ?

ISmellWindMay 13, 20191 votes

girls...girls..knock it off...just quit this game and play dota 2... its the superior game

IShowerWithUrDadMay 13, 20194 votes

[{quoted}](name=Pandemic Punch,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=xN0f9w5o,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2019-05-13T16:55:12.499+0000)

So you should be forced to play with a Blitzcrank ADC?

It happens that a player is trolling. However, remember that your enemies will have as many trolls as you(and even more, since they have 5 players and you have 4 plus you, since you wouldn't troll). The problem is, a lot of players shittalk their allies in pregame lobbies, and then are confused about the fact that multiple of their teammates suddenly do not want them to win. Blitz ADC will probably only happen if someone was unbearable in the pregame lobby, and no one stopped that individual from flaming others.

Pandemic PunchMay 13, 20194 votes

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IShowerWithUrDadMay 13, 20192 votes

[{quoted}](name=Pandemic Punch,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=xN0f9w5o,comment-id=0000000000010000,timestamp=2019-05-13T17:37:52.583+0000)

Nice joke. Now say something reasonable.

Is it really unreasonable to say that a human would want to seek vengeance against another who wronged him?

hrooza dota May 14, 20193 votes

and this is why boards are not getting taken srsly , players attack others directly and get fucking upvoted

[slayer-jinx-unamused]

LordGeovanniMay 14, 20191 votes

You cant really count other people out (the yourselves) from trolling tilting or generally not trying all they can to win. you can only do that for yourself. even though you talking about it on the boards and you telling them that they dont count they actually do if they ever troll surrender try to take it easy then talk about they shouldnt have let the enemy have it easy.

GlaricionMay 13, 20191 votes

[{quoted}](name=Pandemic Punch,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=xN0f9w5o,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2019-05-13T16:55:12.499+0000)

So you should be forced to play with a Blitzcrank ADC?

100% AD scaling on Powerfist baby! 1s knock-up just over every other second...

brb, first-timing it for the first time in years in ranked

LordGeovanniMay 14, 20191 votes

Win rate and off meta picks dont have anything to do with each other. on the other hand people who have off meta picks usually have higher winrates or at least even winrates because their teams tilt themselves because they mentally shut down when they see an off meta pick making it harder to carry with the hidden brokenness.

jng dif victimMay 13, 20192 votes

even if your team has a 30% win rate, you should have equal odds with the enemy team

???? 30% winrate ?? autofilled ??? Equal ?? ??? we both know Right now MMR is ruined and matchmaking is terrible unless u wanna disagree with anything anyways.

Dodging should simply not be a legitimate strategy

well its not . -3 LP and banning for 6 - 30 minutes is still a good punishment . u cant spam dodge because of that. but making it -10 LP means 1dodge = 1 Lose .

already all the good players dodge . so even if it shouldnt be a legitimate strategy it is right now . but instead of waiting 5 minutes and play again they just go and play on smurf till next day. with this huge amount of trolls right now if u want to climb u need to dodge some games which u know its for sure lose from champ select.

IShowerWithUrDadMay 13, 20191 votes

[{quoted}](name=jng dif victim,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=xN0f9w5o,comment-id=00000002,timestamp=2019-05-13T17:02:28.847+0000)

???? 30% winrate ?? autofilled ??? Equal ?? ??? we both know Right now MMR is ruined and matchmaking is terrible unless u wanna disagree with anything anyways.

well its not . -3 LP and banning for 6 - 30 minutes is still a good punishment . u cant spam dodge because of that. but making it -10 LP means 1dodge = 1 Lose .

already all the good players dodge . so even if it shouldnt be a legitimate strategy it is right now . but instead of waiting 5 minutes and play again they just go and play on smurf till next day. with this huge amount of trolls right now if u want to climb u need to dodge some games which u know its for sure lose from champ select.

Matchmaking isn't as fucked as a lot of players think it is. The great majority of games do not have those 3 autofills. However, I do agree that MMR isn't a transparent system, which does make it seem broken or ruined. As for the troll players, I do believe that western regions are too scared of experimentation. A lot of players dodge when they see some off-meta picks, while some of those are actually tomorrow's meta. In Korea, players are much more open to learning these picks(however, they will run it down if they don't work). An example would be Hecarim top, I saw multiple players dodge when they saw it on their team, or even ask to report the player if he didn't win lane. Losing LP never feels right, but I believe too many players blame these off-meta picks for their loses.

VanTurinoMay 13, 20192 votes

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IShowerWithUrDadMay 13, 20191 votes

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Well put, the next off meta pick could be the next counter for xxxx top laner

I don't understand what you are trying to say. Is it that the meta shifts from a champion, to its counter, and then to its counter's counter?

Polaris IMay 13, 20192 votes

[{quoted}](name=jng dif victim,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=xN0f9w5o,comment-id=00000002,timestamp=2019-05-13T17:02:28.847+0000)

???? 30% winrate ?? autofilled ??? Equal ?? ??? we both know Right now MMR is ruined and matchmaking is terrible unless u wanna disagree with anything anyways.

well its not . -3 LP and banning for 6 - 30 minutes is still a good punishment . u cant spam dodge because of that. but making it -10 LP means 1dodge = 1 Lose .

already all the good players dodge . so even if it shouldnt be a legitimate strategy it is right now . but instead of waiting 5 minutes and play again they just go and play on smurf till next day. with this huge amount of trolls right now if u want to climb u need to dodge some games which u know its for sure lose from champ select.

You just contradicted yourself and make you seem less collected and more ranting by saying 1 dodge = 1 lose when on your original post you said you lose 10 LP for dodge and 20 for lose. Try to remain consistent throughout your post to seem like you know what you are talking about and don’t use multiple ? It’s very annoying and conveys stupidity and irrationality.

5050BSMay 14, 20192 votes

To stop dodges from being a thing, Riot has to fix Match Making.

FYI losing 10 LP is better then playing and losing 10 LP AND losing MMR

TailypoMay 13, 20194 votes

They need to address their shit matchmaking, and that should solve the dodging situation. God forbid you ever hit a hot streak in this game.

SalronMay 13, 20193 votes

its every 8 hours not once a day

Inkling CommandoMay 13, 20191 votes

quit complaining. you're lucky the first dodge is a warning and not the full penalty.

VanTurinoMay 13, 20191 votes

It could be worse. You could get a promo and go on a 4 game win streak right after only for your client to suddenly lag up so bad in champ select/ban that you get a dodge 3 times in a row even after restarting the client in between each attempt, leading to a one loss demotion only to be right back where you had started for the night. Play the games you are able to, if he takes blitz adc, support should be picking an adc champ.

SirPurrrMay 14, 20191 votes

Dodging favors players who play less. It's a weird decision.

Shrek LuigiMay 14, 20191 votes

Matchmaking was worse when Riot was more lenient with dodgers. Every other queue was a "let me x or I dodge" flamefest, and it took forever to actually get into a match because people were using dodges to assemble a pubstompy team instead of circumventing troll games.

People here understand your frustration, but "I want to troll and smurf at everybody elses' expense" is not a compelling argument.