Take It Serious RIOT. Your Players Are Leaving The Game

jng dif victim·Apr 8, 2019·46 votes·13,306 views

I dont know what is exactly the problem. and its not my job to know that. but there is somthing wrong RIOT. ur Players are not happy. They Dont have fun like before. They dont feel balance or shit like before. Your Players Are Complaining Riot they are doing that for u to listen to them . im just telling u if ur players get to the point which they think RIOT is a company that doesnt give a damn shit about its PLAYER BASE.** Trust Me Riot. League OF Legends Will Die **

61 Comments

Soul DealerApr 8, 201925 votes

People are leaving because riot lets trolls do whatever they want but we can’t say shit to them. Riot has gone full snowflake and can’t handle people being mean but people intentionally losing games is ok.

ModAcademy KaynApr 9, 20199 votes

because riot lets trolls do whatever they want but we can’t say shit to them.

1.) You're not alerted that every report you fill out has had a repercussion that has lead to someone being punished.

2.) Regardless of the actions of others, you're responsible for your own actions. The rest of your team is already in the shitty position of having a troll on their team, they don't need another player making their time worse because you feel you have the right to flame someone. I had two trolls of my own last night, but despite my feelings, I kept myself civil for the sake of the Kayle and Sion still giving it their all. Don't go adding on to an already bad experience, it's that simple.

I memba balance Apr 9, 20194 votes

you kept it civil because as a Moderator I guarantee you have Riot contacts that you hit up with messages right after that game with the Summoner Names of said "trolls" and were assured they were taken care of. so don't cop that bullshit here bud.

ModUlanopoApr 10, 20191 votes

[{quoted}](name=I memba balance ,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=IBFYhTVQ,comment-id=000000000001,timestamp=2019-04-09T21:09:45.501+0000)

you kept it civil because as a Moderator I guarantee you have Riot contacts that you hit up with messages right after that game with the Summoner Names of said "trolls" and were assured they were taken care of. so don't cop that bullshit here bud.

That's not how any of this works...

ModAcademy KaynApr 10, 20191 votes

because as a Moderator I guarantee you have Riot contacts

No, we don't. We're as much normal players as all of you, we don't get any special road that's exclusive to us. I doubt that what I will say here matters, since you 'guarentee' I do, so whatever. Believe what you want, no matter how terribly misinformed it is. The only difference between you and I, in game and in client, is that I have a fancy ward. The only power we have, is on the Boards, a much different realm.

Josh SandApr 9, 20191 votes

Bro, I've been getting into it with almost every troll I run into. Usually I throw a few choice words at them, or just insult them straight up, and then I mute them, and try to put their bullshit out of mind so I can try to get on with the game.

I'm pretty sure trading barbs with a troll isn't going to get you banned. I only see that happen with some insanely toxic people. Random shit talking isn't policed in my experience - there are way bigger fish to fry in this game.

MadHatlerApr 10, 20192 votes

I agree that they have 100% gone full snowflake. The game is being as AstroTurfed as it can get.

Just look at Riot and all it's publicity last year alone. It's insanely sad, but this is what happens when you're located in Cali

bigsmalltallAug 17, 20191 votes

Its a day care if you curse you will go time out

boricCentaur1Apr 8, 201913 votes

I think riot is doing a great job there buffing champions everyone loves like vayne,cho,mundo and only giving vague reasons as to why they wont nerf riven,

They said there not making nexus blitz permanent a mode a lot of people wanted to be permanent.

The kayle rework where riot changed how kayle looked and made it worst for a stupid reason that makes no sense.

The new fucking ivern skin how in gods name did that make it into the game like riot should of just cancelled it like it just pissed off ivern players and is probably the worst skin in the game while close to it.

They have said nothing about matchmaking problems in ranked that I see people complaining about.

They have said nothing about the seemingly increasing problem of people giving up in ranked and the large amount of trolling in games.

I feel like season 9's biggest problem is not balancing but how riot has handled there communication has been terrible only giving vague reasons to things or no reasons at all for unpopular changes. Like if riot give the exact reason as to way and how vayne was buffed it probably would of gone much better and nexus blitz is also a great example since the reasons for it not being permanent could easily be applied to TTT.

Anivia HentaiApr 8, 20197 votes

Who the fuck loves mundo and cho [zombie-brand-mindblown]

boricCentaur1Apr 8, 20193 votes

It's called SARCASM.

General MattyApr 9, 20199 votes

League sucks now. It doesn't even feel fun to play anymore. Not like Riot cares, they just want to milk every last penny out of the game.

Silly NeekoApr 8, 20198 votes

Have you noticed that nearly everyone who leaves.... are people who got punished, and then make a very dramatic exit? If you are talking about on the boards at least.

Plus, its mostly only the same people complaining or taking advantage of Reddit's bored population that does not mind causing trouble for a bit of kicks.

The actual posts that are helpful or even expose a possible problem are overshadowed by the absolute troll post extravaganza that happens.

ŚhunpoApr 9, 20192 votes

[{quoted}](name=Silly Neeko,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=IBFYhTVQ,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2019-04-08T11:26:46.829+0000)

Have you noticed that nearly everyone who leaves.... are people who got punished, and then make a very dramatic exit? If you are talking about on the boards at least.

Plus, its mostly only the same people complaining or taking advantage of Reddit's bored population that does not mind causing trouble for a bit of kicks.

The actual posts that are helpful or even expose a possible problem are overshadowed by the absolute troll post extravaganza that happens.

I was never punished and I still made a dramatic exit, so you sir are a liar and a ruffian!

Silly NeekoApr 9, 20191 votes

Key word there.... "nearly". Implies there are some that are exceptions to what I said.

HeeroTXApr 10, 20191 votes

I mean, it's not a difficult connection to make: -People that cause a fuss in game (ie. reported and provably a problem) will also cause a fuss on other platforms (the boards) -People that keep their head down and play also leave quietly

Not rocket science. [sg-lulu]

mack9112Apr 8, 20195 votes

The only people I see who leave are usually those who get banned and attack riot .

Fact is game is almost 10 years old and it’s still going strong

jng dif victimApr 8, 201911 votes

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The only people I see who leave are usually those who get banned and attack riot .

Fact is game is almost 10 years old and it’s still going strong

There are 2 types of players in league bro. one type ( the big one ) are those who play only for fun play normal games and Aram and etc ... . but the second type. they are comptetive players. they want to climb. they try. they try so hard. and there are alot of problems that stopping them problems like vayne like riven like horrible match making system like trolls like smurfs like terrible LP gains which force players to hardstuck. and these problems are so obvious. RIOT see this. RIOT knows these problems. and these players. they are right there. right there standing. waiting. checking PBE CHANGES. they are waiting for these problems to get fixed. and trust me. they will not wait for ever. im not talking about my self. if riot dont listen to these people problems.when the time comes.the second type of players.they all will quit the game.

Tr4shB4NSYST3MApr 8, 20192 votes

In past season's I've been the type of player to pretty much only play ranked solo/duo, but this season matchmaking is just so god awful that I can't bring myself to do it. I've just been playing maybe a couple aram games a day b/c even though team-comps can be skewed in aram matchmaking is still decently even, unlike ranked solo-duo where 90% of games are uneven stomps where when you win it feels like you were a passenger and when you lose it feels like even if you were faker theres nothing you could've really done.

Ahri BakaApr 8, 20194 votes

if people are leaving then it's because of toxicity and trollers it has nothing to do with balance

GayFluffyUnicornApr 9, 20191 votes

Hi, i left because of balance.

Ahri BakaApr 9, 20191 votes

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Hi, i left because of balance.

Good for u

MakarakarnApr 9, 20193 votes

And where is your proof that players are leaving? And no, the League boards definitely does not count as data lol

Kai GuyApr 9, 20194 votes

That's easy. Players have left the game literally every single year it has existed.

Now as the OP is trying to claim the game is Dying... Yes no doubt he is correct about that just like everybody who made the same claims in seasons 1,2,3,4,5,6,7, and 8.

GayFluffyUnicornApr 9, 20192 votes

Idk losing 3/4ths of NAs ranked population and half of EUW kinda shows a huge drop in players. It took five-six years for league to reach its peak and in only two years the vast majority left.

The only thing keeping this game alive is the asian population which eventually will drop too and unlike the west they won't stay for years as loyal customers they immediately jump the boat to the next big title.

Death by GlamourApr 10, 20191 votes

What is yoyr soyrce for tge loss in players out of interest

MakarakarnApr 9, 20191 votes

[{quoted}](name=Kai Guy,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=IBFYhTVQ,comment-id=00090000,timestamp=2019-04-09T07:56:05.881+0000)

That's easy. Players have left the game literally every single year it has existed.

Now as the OP is trying to claim the game is Dying... Yes no doubt he is correct about that just like everybody who made the same claims in seasons 1,2,3,4,5,6,7, and 8.

Well to be fair, there isn't a single game in existence that doesn't see players leaving because of their frustrations with it.

option paralysisApr 9, 20192 votes

i had like 30-40 people on my friends list online, now there's like 2 people online. lol and everybody IRL stopped playing a year ago.

ZephyrDrakeApr 9, 20192 votes

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i had like 30-40 people on my friends list online, now there's like 2 people online. lol and everybody IRL stopped playing a year ago.

sounds like every single online game ever

USAstarApr 9, 20192 votes

I quit four years ago because rito deleted my favorite champion Fiora. None of my friends are still playing for similar reasons. Now I am just here to F rito n f cucks

radetariApr 9, 20192 votes

They have too much money to care If they suddenly went broke We would be back in season 4

Unstoppable MonkApr 9, 20192 votes

Funny thing is at least the balance is relatively good and positional rankings were almost a huge success. So good job.

"REEE YOU SAID SOMETHING YOU ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR YOUR ACTIONS REEE WHO CARES IF YOU ARE BEING HARASSED FOR TWO STRAIGHT HOURS FUCK YOU PLAYER THAT IS UPSET ON GAME RUINING JERKS HAVE A PENALTY" - Rito SJW Season 8-9 Policy

_"Haha just send in a ticket they don't care fucker you deserve it" _ -Typical Passive-aggressive player on Behavior who probably reported people they intended on griefing _ "Just suck it up and play 40 minute ranked losses every game with people who don't know what they are doing in SR because noob thinks they can win a complete slaughter, also get reported for not wanting this" _ - Funneled novices into ranked by design

Please, you keep ruining ranked for the normies over your e-$ports longassgame jack-me-off fantasy where they hold up fucking games with their shitty skills for 40-50 minutes attempting to getting carried and report anyone that prevents them from orgasm, doesn't obey the duo that trolled in champ select, or doesn't help them win lane for feels.

FrozenFitzgeraldApr 10, 20192 votes

Because Riot surrounds themselves with Yes Men who will defend everything they do, which allows them to pretend all the people who have legitimate grievances are just whining about nothing. Look at the moderator post near the top of the replies even - His post is, as of the time I write this, sitting at exactly +1 while he tries to detract from what post above him says, that post being at +11. Clearly more people agree that Riot is in the wrong than they do that Riot is in the right, but Riot will only listen to people who give them positive feedback and stroke their ego.

People are leaving the game because Riot will not do simple things like listen to the playerbase in any meaningful capacity and the way they handle punishment is absurdly bad. Words are punished far more harshly and far more commonly than actions are. I personally swore off spending money on League a long time ago, and I'm glad I did. I haven't bought Riot points in years, and as long as Riot continues to display that they have no interest in fixing their real problems, I will never spend another cent on them. I refuse to do their "Watch and Earn" missions because straight up, I don't want to give them Twitch views or any ad revenue. I 100% believe that the way the company is managed, they don't deserve it.

StrightCarnageJan 3, 20202 votes

academy kane , your logic is flawed . i had two promos bac to bac and both games had trolls so 4 games of trolls i was civil for those four games but then i got a couple more and then a couple more and then instead of trying to climb i was fighting to stay in the level i was at no change in my game play style none at all i played well just was the victim of troll after troll after troll, when you allow ppl to purposfully lose games you ruin your product, when you force 5 players who dont know each other to play u creat toxicity. this is a five person games we shoudl be in 5 person premades. with in game chat aval to not do this invites abuse smurfing trolling purposfull crap the is all negative, the players that flame are the ones that care as they have been abused over and over you dont flame right off the hop you get goaded and forced there. Your matchmaking is poor at best your lack of forsight to allow chat and 5 man teams is baffling. honeslty i think you want the toxicity you truly just dont give a damn about the customer anymore. heres the thing i have lots and lots of disposable income i want to spend it here but you do not provide a sensible product to pay for so i play for free hoping you might grasp some small bit of sense but your comments above are so out of touch its beyond confusing and down right anoying.

GigglesOApr 9, 20191 votes

They are doing a full itemization rework. That will determine if players leave or stay.

ZephyrDrakeApr 9, 20191 votes

Long before the time league is truly "dying" or "about to die" they'll have announced LoL2 or some similar thing

MoonscourgeApr 9, 20191 votes

Everybody says this, yet the game is growing, yet the very same people who say shit like this are still playing actively. Many even play more than me and that says a lot lmao

This attitude is just pathetic and your biases are showing my dudes.

nm1010Apr 9, 20193 votes

The game obviously isn't growing, at least not from the height of its popularity. They would brag nonstop about having a growing player base 9 years after release, just as they used to do when they actually were growing. Maybe they have more active players than the past few seasons, but I highly doubt it is more than they have had in the past.

Edit: Someone above actually had a good point. A few years ago the ranked population in NA was well over 2 million, as of right now it is ~800,000. That is a pretty solid indicator of a dropping player base.

Edit 2: Found stats for season 7 EUW: Season 7 Ranked player base - 3,016,393 Season 9 Ranked player base - 1,337,767

Granted we aren't at the end of the season yet, but I doubt the player base will triple and this is only season 7.

Samuel MurphyApr 9, 20191 votes

Well, I dont know for sure how much this will impact everything, but I know a lot of people dont play ranked until late summer because playing league is more about fun for them.

But at the end of the season they want the rewards so they quick tune in so they can climb. If season 7 was a snapshot at the end of the season and the season 9 is a snap shot right now, I could see it getting close.

Also thats ranked. Maybe the casual player base is going up due to esports. There are lots of theories. I would be super interested to see the actual statistics then vs now.

I would have so much fun going through riot's Tableau (Thats their data base they use)

HeeroTXApr 10, 20191 votes

If nothing else, I agree with nm1010 that if League was still GROWING we'd have heard about it from Riot. The fact that we haven't been given OFFICIAL numbers for years is a pretty clear indication that the growth period ended.

hotarseApr 9, 20191 votes

They've known that the game has been dying in the West for years. They pissed off their core audience in the west for a process called churn and burn. The West has been churned and now burns. China and other Asian markets are still churning. I do wonder how much of that dollar falls into riot's pockets, though. I'm willing to bet Tencent gets a very high percentage of all sales in Asia. Garena takes a decent cut from League shit in SEA. Not sure who gets it in Korea. But even with those markets bringing very little back into the actual company and people who make the game, it's enough for them to piss off the West since that market is obviously dwindling. That's what you get when you prioritize short term growth over long term stability.

Masala ChaiApr 9, 20194 votes

League is not dying in the west. As a matter of fact, League content creators are still actively supported, and most League content creators are still seeing growth, rather than stagnation. The League subreddit is still growing, and people are still going on the onboarding process for the game. These are all Western based communities that all have grown SIGNIFICANTLY within the last year. Just because the Boards say that game is dying, doesn't mean it necessarily is.

I would also like to point out the sort of fallacy that you've made when you say "prioritize short term growth over long term stability". Asian markets are probably less fickle than Western markets, part of that has to do with higher engagement with the material (League of Legends generally runs on most PCs), cultural implications (North America likes consoles disproportionately compared to the rest of the world), etc. Vietnam's server population alone is larger than North America's, just for context. They have 1/4 the population. Vietnam (and North America) is still growing. They ARE LOOKING FOR LONG TERM GROWTH OPTIONS that cater to their playerbase. Riot Blaustoise has a pretty scuffed GDC talk that he re-delivered on Twitch here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VLDdASi7Ucw that goes into depth about overall player engagement, and he has some other data bits he posted on Twitter a while ago.

Obviously, when some new game comes out, like Fortnite or Apex people will have their attention shift to a new game. When Apex came out, I know a large number of Rioters played it. But often times, they will revert back to League or continue to balance it with the other games they play.

nm1010Apr 9, 20198 votes

"Most League content creators are still seeing growth"

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The only ones seeing growth are the new content creators and that is because they are a fresh source for existing fans, not because the interest is growing.

Masala ChaiApr 9, 20192 votes

"most"

yes I meant most, the new ones in North America are still seeing growth, and all the channels you have given me to the right, are still seeing growth. Imaqtpie is ranked 14th in terms of total viewerbase, and 46th in terms of follower growth. Keep in mind, that's still a positive uptick. YoDa, Gosu, hashinshin are all old time League names, and they are seeing more growth compared to Imaqtpie, who has become relatively saturated. Part of this may have to do with imaqtpie's decreasing emphasis on League in favour of Apex, but that's another thing to consider.

When taking in account viewership, League is still the most watched in terms of viewer hours: https://www.twitchmetrics.net/games/viewership, one of the most watched by average viewers: https://www.twitchmetrics.net/games/popularity, and one of the highest by peak: https://www.twitchmetrics.net/games/peak, does not give to me an indication that the game is dying. Compile this with an increase of popularity in diffusion in Eastern Markets, and I would say League of Legends is doing rather well.

Riot is also working on a new game, #R&Dcrew so it's not like even if League was dying they don't have any form of backup.

nm1010Apr 9, 20193 votes

I would argue that league is one of the few games that has a regular esports scene that causes twitch numbers to be bloated heavily. My wife and I watch the esports scene, but we haven't touched the game in a year.

While the channels I gave you are getting a positive amount of new subs/follows per month, their views per month are also on a decline. This trend holds true even for the people you mentioned. That shows a loss of interest across the board for league content.

https://i.gyazo.com/e3f54ef54ce7030b142bf24cda777925.png

https://i.gyazo.com/680e27032591d51ca42c31f46baadae4.png

Gosu's looks bugged, it is pretty much a flat line. Or maybe he has really dropped that hard, I know my wife has him on every morning and he talks about how garbage the game is (his words). I imagine that attitude doesn't foster a lot of subs/follows.

Also, Riot has been working on a new game for ~5 years in case you didn't know. Doesn't seem like much progress has been made.

HeeroTXApr 10, 20191 votes

I find it REALLY interesting that Twitch has tabs for FOUR metrics and you chose to only link three of them. For anyone curious, the 4th metric is "most streamed". League ranks 3rd in this metric (and a VERY distant 3rd at that).

I'd say looking at the most streamed and extrapolating with the other metrics also speaks to nm1010's point about eSports. Dota2 has an ABYSSMAL avg live stream count (less than 25% of League's avg, which is itself about 25% of Fortnite's avg) but has a peak viewership on par with League.

I'd say Riot has accomplished the one major goal they sought to accomplish, which is create a viable and supported eSports competition, but they have severely injured their game for the average player.

hotarseApr 9, 20192 votes

Nice try with the lies, yo. Blast is one of the biggest BSers and one of the sycophants in Riot that helped the game go the way of the dodo. And riot's next game is more like a fart in the pants than an ace in the sleeve. If it even exists in any form, it's sure to come out with a loud thud because all the magic that made Riot game what it is today, were either shown the door or read the writing on the wall and left the bro-cult of butt kissers at riot game.

QuephaApr 9, 20191 votes

it's literally the same shit every year

CaoekoApr 10, 20191 votes

I hope this shitty game die

davidofffffffOct 17, 20191 votes

Maybe I am very outdated, but I played this game since day 1 release. Back then, I remember even half the game mechanics was crap game was so fun and addicting. Haven't played it already for a year and a half. Recently started to play Dota 2, and man that game is as satisfying as I was playing league back then, when items and champions had versatility. Now game turned into uninteresting meatball. Just get meta champs take same meta build. Game just gone to a wrong direction, its not even interesting on competitive level. I remember watching and being a fan of different teams. Now championships are so boring that haven't watched them for over 3 years, 2 min and man I am out, its so boring. Game just turned into a repetitive garbage, and no mature audience has or wants to waste a time. Since day one average player-base had a very high median age, then it went lower and lower, dunno but game deepness turned into a very dumb level, even Mario for 1990s is more satisfying.