riot youre jumping the gun with those fiora buffs

Critmaster Garen·Aug 8, 2015·5 votes·546 views

you made her intentionally more difficult to play with higher payoff. if a high skillcap champion like her is gonna be played a lot due to the initial release hype of her new kit, a low winrate is to be expected.

no one can be expected to really have mastered her new kit after a couple of days. you guys should know that. why are you buffing her so early?

imo focus on working out the issues with her passive sometimes not triggering properly instead. i think it happens when youre too close to your target, even when youre attacking it from the right direction.

6 Comments

SIaytonAug 9, 20153 votes

IMO she's just a less effective Irelia. They have like.... the same play pattern pretty much.

Critmaster GarenAug 9, 20151 votes

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IMO she's just a less effective Irelia. They have like.... the same play pattern pretty much.

irelia plays and builds entirely different. fiora is ability dependent and scales best by stacking large amounts of raw ad and cdr. irelia needs to build tanky and a lot of attack speed and deals damage by auto attacking.

im suprised how many times i have to point this out. fioras riposte can dodge any ability in the game. including summoner spells and things like a darius ult. its like a personal mini kayle ult, that also negates cc.

with a melee adc build all 4 marks on her ult deal up to 80% max health true damage. she can duel anyone in the game, no matter if its a 500 armor rammus, or a squishy. it doesnt make a difference.

her heal might be thematically weird, but its strong as shit and can turn a teamfight around like a fiddle ult. thats definitely one thing irelia doesnt have. she can maybe duel like fiora, but she doesnt heal her entire team back up to full health upon killing her target. she doesnt even have to kill her target herself. just pop 1 mark, and then her team can do the rest to trigger the heal, if everything fails.

MLDzXnRRRAug 9, 20151 votes

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irelia plays and builds entirely different. fiora is ability dependent and scales best by stacking large amounts of raw ad and cdr. irelia needs to build tanky and a lot of attack speed and deals damage by auto attacking.

im suprised how many times i have to point this out. fioras riposte can dodge any ability in the game. including summoner spells and things like a darius ult. its like a personal mini kayle ult, that also negates cc.

with a melee adc build all 4 marks on her ult deal up to 80% max health true damage. she can duel anyone in the game, no matter if its a 500 armor rammus, or a squishy. it doesnt make a difference.

her heal might be thematically weird, but its strong as shit and can turn a teamfight around like a fiddle ult.

Fiora builds raw AD and gets blown like overripe melon... You can't even use the ult, if they have flash, because people just flash or dash away - her MS is also pathetic. She can't waveclear and needs Tiamat to do it, but Hydra is bad item for her later in the game - Bork and BT are way better for such squishy champion.

TotalwanabeAug 8, 20151 votes

main weakness i see is her movement speed she can't really get or stay in range to use her passive advantage or make her immune to minion aggro so she can focus on champion

Critmaster GarenAug 8, 20151 votes

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main weakness i see is her movement speed she can't really get or stay in range to use her passive advantage or make her immune to minion aggro so she can focus on champion

i dont know. her q helps her a lot with moving around. and she has 2 slows in her kit to work with and when she pops a mark she gets an additional burst of movement speed.

espeically in lane, this causes a hit and run kindof playstile where she can q in to pop a mark from a distance thats in a good spot and then retreat with increased movement speed.

imo its just gonna take time until the storm blows over, a couple of dedicated mains stick with her, really figure her out and her actual strength becomes clear.

KoechopheAug 9, 20151 votes

Fiora is extremely weak. Play her, you'll feel it. In my opinion, there's a few things that just need to happen, regardless of balance.

Her Q needs to not draw minion agro when used on a champion. It completely negates the skill's poke potential and usually ends up causing you to take more damage than you deal. It's hard enough already to hit a vital with it.
Her ult needs to be seriously changed. It's impossible to hit all 4 vitals against a competant target. It feels terrible, and usually just ends up as a "im going to tag an almost-dead target then reap the heal".
Her W CD needs to be reduced. It's just way too long at the moment.