to ADC mains who complain that bot lane ziggs pokes you down from far out of your range

Critmaster Garen·Jan 3, 2017·352 votes·10,631 views

welcome to the shit we have to endure, when adc show on top lane.

228 Comments

Mira Arya EntheJan 3, 201788 votes

Brand and Ziggs being complained about by ADCs, oh the irony. As it is ADCs who tell top laners not to complain about ranged champions coming to top.

Velzard of KozJan 3, 201727 votes

Also I don't mean to pull this out everytime as "muh rightclickz", but... Zigg's bombs, despite their surprisingly obnoxiously relatively big hitbox, CAN be dodged. Say that about basic attacks when there aren't many champs with Blind effect or Dodge or Dodgeplatz.

aspects1Jan 4, 20179 votes

Jax "let me at em"

dominusxJan 4, 20176 votes

You die before your even get to dodge attacks jax go back to your room and wait for your rework

rtbf225618241Jan 4, 201716 votes

You clearly have no idea how strong Jax is. Go back to your "competitive" server.

Velzard of KozJan 4, 20174 votes

That hurts....

WheatloafJan 4, 201728 votes

The explosion size is surprisingly large, but the collision radius for the bomb itself is pretty small. Mid laners know a pretty good solution to Ziggs: don't stand in your minions.

SzGamer227Jan 4, 20179 votes

^ This. I absolutely hate it when I actually have to HIT people with my bombs. It's so much easier when you can damage them by throwing bombs at the stationary minions they're standing next to.

RikariJan 4, 20175 votes

Ziggs' bombs can also bounce over you lol

HigeJan 3, 201753 votes

that complain is dumb, for Ziggs to have that kind of range his bouncing bomb needs to bounce 3 times, THREE TIMES, this thing is slower than Anivia's Q and you can also dodge it by moving forward btw

Supreme Senpai69Jan 3, 201763 votes

Or backwards. Or to the side. Also, standing still makes it miss half the time. They took the accuracy out of Ziggs' Q and added it to Fizz's ult

RalanrJan 3, 201748 votes

And this is one reason I support Ziggs bot.

PennsJan 3, 20172 votes

Cant bruisers/tanks shit on adcs top tho after playing save for the first few minutes? Thats what I have to do every game with you know what champ lel

Tychusfindlay919Jan 3, 201711 votes

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Cant bruisers/tanks shit on adcs top tho after playing save for the first few minutes? Thats what I have to do every game with you know what champ lel

Most bruisers and tanks have to go ghost flash and hope the enemy adc top lane didnt do the same and took tp.

Source: platinum 1 darius main who has been lucky with adc tops picking tp instead of ghost.

Photos of GhostsJan 3, 20172 votes

I generally pick ignite, barrier or exhaust on Quinn.

RalanrJan 3, 20173 votes

I hope to never fight a Quinn like or better than you.

MelledoneusJan 3, 201734 votes

HAHA FACK YOU QUINN AND GRAVES TOP

Justice, baby.

TyrekGoldenspearJan 3, 201740 votes

My, my.

How the tables have turned huehuehue.

SmileInABoxJan 3, 201719 votes

As an ADC main, I don't get the people complaining about Ziggs. Caitlyn, Varus, and Ezreal can poke pretty hard too, and Ziggs abilities are dodgeable as hell.

(I'm also a former top lane main, so I'm a bit more used to annoying poke I suppose.)

AlmightyJan 3, 201714 votes

I feel like i am the only one who has yet to face a Ziggs bot lane.

And regarding the long range poke, Lux Velkoz Zyra Karma have been doing it for ~~years~~ seasons now, yet, nobody complains.

But i have to admit, the Statchel Charge change was kind of stupid and pointless

Almighty.

drakuIa421Jan 3, 20171 votes

nobody complains about these because they're supports.

but when ziggs adc becomes a thing, its a problem.

AlmightyJan 3, 20173 votes

Wait, i thought Ziggs was played as support.

Forgive me, but i don't really follow the latest trends.

Almighty.

KarfussJan 4, 20175 votes

He's played in place of an ADC, usually with an AD mid lane or ADC Top lane to compensate.

NightmareAmazoXJan 3, 201714 votes

summoner 14 Feel Our Hatred ADC Mains
item 3070 Sorry Support Mains

quizoticJan 3, 201712 votes

if people are really complaining about range while playing ADC's then yes their being hypocrites.

That being said there do need to be some massive changes to bot lane, these 4 man zergs less then 5 minutes in suck for everyone and aren't fun for either team. it's just a race to see which team can lift their back leg and "claim" the bot lane tower first.

Edit: this coming from someone who use to play support only, and has since tried to reroll mid because of how frustrating this meta is for supports in draft, even unranked.

HeresyHorusJan 3, 201710 votes

ADCs can dodge his shit and bait his mana at least .

how can u dodge ADCs resource - free auto attacks ?

TurquoiseYoshiJan 3, 201724 votes

AAs are shorter and cause you to take minion aggro, unlike spells.

RivuoJan 3, 20176 votes

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AAs are shorter and cause you to take minion aggro, unlike spells.

You got downvoted for telling the truth.

Ferus and FerrumJan 4, 20179 votes

They also proc lifesteal, have a much lower cooldown, can critically strike at random, and deal more damage to towers. Plus shit like vayne top doesn't have to stick to you for long to get meaningful damage off. Not to mention Vayne, Quinn, Graves, and Jayce all have more self-peel, tankiness, and sustain than ziggs could ever have.

Koala CalamityJan 3, 20178 votes

If a ziggs is killing you in bot lane, there's a big failure happening either from your support or your adc or both. Ziggs brings nothing to the table in bot lane other than tower cheese. His damage is shit, his cc is shit, has no hp, and no sustain. Just punch him in his jihad loving face.

It Hertz When IPJan 3, 20177 votes

His poke doesn't draw minion aggro, and he brings decent CC to the table. He has AoE waveclear from the start without needing an item.

Cosmic WarperJan 3, 20177 votes

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His poke doesn't draw minion aggro, and he brings decent CC to the table. He has AoE waveclear from the start without needing an item.

He needs two Qs to even clear casters before he gets enough AP... at that point you can punish him. If he uses E to clear a wave then it's even easier to punish him. His Q can be easily dodged.

UrPalAlJan 3, 20176 votes

It's weird how the Boards are really pro mage and tank, and Reddit is really pro everything else that the boards isn't

RivuoJan 4, 20173 votes

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It's weird how the Boards are really pro mage and tank, and Reddit is really pro everything else that the boards isn't

The boards arent really smart tbh.. Reddit is where the diamond+ players post.

TyrekGoldenspearJan 4, 20174 votes

So why do we still have diamond players here on the boards? i.e. you, Malicious, and others.

Over InnsmouthJan 4, 20174 votes

Malicious isnt Diamond yet. He gets very upset when you point it out, so do it as often as possible.

TyrekGoldenspearJan 4, 20171 votes

Really? Strange, I could have sworn he made a post about him getting promoted to Diamond.

Maybe it was actually Plat...

Over InnsmouthJan 4, 20173 votes

Last season, he's been riding the Plat 1 train for quite a few games now.

He's already a Veteran of his League.

Granted, I'm sitting at G5 because my interest in ranked begins and ends at the Victorious skin, so I can't really talk.

DHBGrimReaperJan 4, 20171 votes

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Last season, he's been riding the Plat 1 train for quite a few games now.

He's already a Veteran of his League.

Granted, I'm sitting at G5 because my interest in ranked begins and ends at the Victorious skin, so I can't really talk.

I have to explain to silvers and bronzes that Gold 5 0 LP with negative winrate and silver mmr is NOT gold.

Over InnsmouthJan 4, 20175 votes

I mean, if being shitty to others for no reason gets you up in the morning.

DHBGrimReaperJan 4, 20171 votes

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I mean, if being shitty to others for no reason gets you up in the morning.

I mean, if debunking a misconception is" being shitty to others for no reason" then sure.

TyrekGoldenspearJan 4, 20172 votes

You know, if he got to gold in the first place, he's still Gold.

RivuoJan 3, 20175 votes

Not a single adc player has yet complained about ziggs.

Nobody.

Critmaster GarenJan 3, 20179 votes

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Not a single adc player has yet complained about ziggs.

Nobody.

ive seen a couple of threads already, and huge complaints in the big one.

RivuoJan 3, 20173 votes

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ive seen a couple of threads already, and huge complaints in the big one.

Show me

TyrekGoldenspearJan 3, 20177 votes

http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/KkUoON7J-bot-adc-ziggs-is-cancer

Here ya go.

And before you try to deny this, I checked his Op.gg and you can too.

http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=RexSaur

Mained Cait in S6.

RivuoJan 3, 20172 votes

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http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/KkUoON7J-bot-adc-ziggs-is-cancer

Here ya go.

And before you try to deny this, I checked his Op.gg and you can too.

http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=RexSaur

Mained Cait in S6.

''Ive seen a couple of threads already, and huge complaints in the big one''

You linked me one thread.

Show me more than 1. Because last i checked rexsaur doesnt account for ''adc mains''

TyrekGoldenspearJan 3, 20179 votes

Yeah, but YOU said:

"Not a single adc player has yet complained about ziggs.

Nobody."

And I showed you one.

kurnisJan 3, 20177 votes

Shhh...don't try to use logic on ApexCH. [zombie-brand-facepalm]

NiceTryViJan 4, 20172 votes

Oh good, I am not tho only one that thinks this guy is a moron. I had an argument with him a little while back, in which he demonstrated he was about as dumb as a glass hammer.