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why the fuck are people not building titanic hydra on mundo?

Critmaster Garen··15 votes·5,126 views

whats up with that? even his mains dont build the item.

one would think its an obvious choice. mundo scales with health. titanic scales with health, and provides 450 health itself.

mundos main damage source is his e. he likes to trade by walking up after hitting a q and using the auto reset and ad steroid of masochism for a shitload of burst. why wouldnt you want to add another 400 damage auto reset on top of it?

why dont people want 40 ad and 40 on hit damage and the waveclear with the 200 ad steroid of mundos e?

what am i missing here?

62 Comments

Eedat35 votes

Because Mundo does as he pleases?

Elkington VI27 votes

Because it's expensive, as a juggernaut you either build it first or much later on in the game, since they typically need a balance of resists and HP by mid game.

Mundo already has a lot of free damage in his kit, making it much more cost efficient to rush Sunfire/Visage. After that it's either Warmogs or a situational defensive item. There's typically not enough time to build it unless you're playing against potatoes or it's super late game and you want to fill that last slot.

Sasogwa8 votes

Mundo's already got a % of his health burst and great autoattack steroid with his E, also his waveclear with W and sunfire is just enough. I did try titanic a few times, and it didn't feel incredible. I mean, it felt all right and it is quite a decent item, but I think other tanky options are just better.

Baron Barian6 votes

Health and defense is what he would benefit from most, isn't it? The extra damage wouldn't really be worth losing the armor and magic resist, would it?

Critmaster Garen4 votes

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Health and defense is what he would benefit from most, isn't it? The extra damage wouldn't really be worth losing the armor and magic resist, would it?

you can still build defenses. what confuses me is that the item doesnt show up in mundo builds at all. not even as third or fourth item.

PopcornBunni14 votes

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you can still build defenses. what confuses me is that the item doesnt show up in mundo builds at all. not even as third or fourth item.

Because it isn't worth what you're giving up.

DrMundo item 3065 item 3075 item 3111 item 3083 item 3143 item 3742 Secondary choices of item 3194 item 3193

Hydra doesn't provide near the utility or staying power of any of these. The best argument could be made for replacing Warmog's, but that's a loss of 350 health and removal of his ability to eat hits, retreat, and reinitiate all so he can pretend to be an adc for a few seconds before doing nothing or dying.

princeblumpkin1 votes

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Because it isn't worth what you're giving up.

DrMundo item 3065 item 3075 item 3111 item 3083 item 3143 item 3742 Secondary choices of item 3194 item 3193

You know what you're giving up with a build like that though? Relevant damage past the 30 minute mark. Mundo is insanely tanky, but his primary function is still to run down carries and kill them. Full tank Mundo into the late game just has his damage fall off too hard to do his job, rendering him a very bulky but largely ineffective meat shield. Mundo may be super tanky, but in terms of playstyle, he has far more in common with champs like Irelia or Garen than he does with champs like Maokai. You won't ever see full tank Irelia and you almost never see full tank Garen; Mundo should be no different.

NemeBro5 votes

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whats up with that? even his mains dont build the item.

one would think its an obvious choice. mundo scales with health. titanic scales with health, and provides 450 health itself.

mundos main damage source is his e. he likes to trade by walking up after hitting a q and using the auto reset and ad steroid of masochism for a shitload of burst. why wouldnt you want to add another 400 damage auto reset on top of it?

why dont people want 40 ad and 40 on hit damage and the waveclear with the 200 ad steroid of mundos e?

what am i missing here?

Because I'm too busy building item 3046

Critmaster Garen2 votes

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Because I'm too busy building item 3046

fair enough.

Rathar Dashing4 votes

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MagicFlyingLlama4 votes

Mundo is about being a giant minion that marches forwards mashing buttons with zero skill, counterplay or escape options.

He is about sustain and dps, not burst.

Critmaster Garen3 votes

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Mundo is about being a giant minion that marches forwards mashing buttons with zero skill, counterplay or escape options.

He is about sustain and dps, not burst.

titanic provides both. he gains strong frontloaded burst from his own e and the auto reset on the item active, and the on hit/ad bonus increases his sustained damage.

its synergy with his kit is so amazing that i just cant understand why its never bought on him.

MagicFlyingLlama7 votes

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titanic provides both. he gains strong frontloaded burst from his own e and the auto reset on the item active, and the on hit/ad bonus increases his sustained damage.

its synergy with his kit is so amazing that i just cant understand why its never bought on him.

Because it is not as good as you think. His sustained damage is already high, sustaining himself is more important.

Slythion4 votes

He already has a better, tankier option for waveclear (item 3068) to rush

Since he already has the waveclear, the only other useful thing Hydra might provide is the extra trade damage. The issue with that is by the time it's done being built, he really has no laner to trade against. He's just supposed to be a running wall for teamfights, in which case there are a plethora of better and tankier items for that purpose.

Basically, better alternatives that cover the things Hydra covers are available and make it so that if you were to build hydra it'd be awkward for his build and too late for it's purpose.

Skins Project3 votes

IMO as mundo you don't want to give up the tank item, and if you do want DPS a PD is better then titanic for various reasons.

Baron of Bread3 votes

Because if you don't have a defensive item there instead you die before you can do anything useful. There is too much damage for Mundo to be able to pick it up unless he gets fed early and nobody on the enemy team got fed.

ZephyrDrake2 votes

Mundo's main damage source is his Q which is a short ranged skillshot that deals %based magic damage. Mundo doesn't really care all that much about autoing and he already has more than enough waveclear in his kit and from other items he builds. He much rather have more tankiness than some random damage item that doesn't really provide anything he wants nor needs

Eedat15 votes

Mundo doesn't really care all that much about autoing

Lol what? Do you even know what his kit does?

ZephyrDrake2 votes

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Lol what? Do you even know what his kit does?

yes he throws cleavers at you and then smacks you in the face while his cleavers are on CD while his fire thingy burns you. Mundo doesn't really cares all that much about autoing you. He does auto you but he doesn't care about it other than to finish up the kill. He much rather be as tanky as possible and annoying as possible than auto you to death

Eedat12 votes

Why are you insisting Mundo doesn't care about autoing you when he has an entire ability dedicated to increasing his auto damage?

You really need to know the absolute basics of a champ before trying to give advice about them lol

ZephyrDrake2 votes

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Why are you insisting Mundo doesn't care about autoing you when he has an entire ability dedicated to increasing his auto damage?

You really need to know the absolute basics of a champ before trying to give advice about them lol

then go build titanic hydra on him if it's that good... it's not but you can pretend it's good. He doesn't need to auto and he certainly doesn't titanic for his autos to do what he needs them to do. You are the one who needs to ;learn about why the champion builds stuff and why he doesn't builds others before calling out on other people.

Eedat11 votes

You have absolutely zero clue how he works. Still insisting he doesn't care about autos when he has a 200 AD steroid on his E lol. I'm kind of curious why you wanted to chime in when you have zero idea how he even works though. You may want to at least read what each ability does next time

YokoNomi1 votes

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You have absolutely zero clue how he works. Still insisting he doesn't care about autos when he has a 200 AD steroid on his E lol. I'm kind of curious why you wanted to chime in when you have zero idea how he even works though. You may want to at least read what each ability does next time

His strongest skill may be his E, but how he's built is entirely dependent on the player. Could build him as a bruiser if you wanted to risk it, or like a full blown tank. I prefer the tank version, since of done properly, can still be a major pain. Just because one particular skill is effective, that doesn't mean that's how he has to work. Think when I use to play him awhile back, I did nothing but Q the unfortunate player to death, mixed with my E. Pace was a little slower, but entirely still effective. Also, tone down the sass please.

Grunt6661 votes

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Why are you insisting Mundo doesn't care about autoing you when he has an entire ability dedicated to increasing his auto damage?

You really need to know the absolute basics of a champ before trying to give advice about them lol

I dont think you understand this game kid so hush. You already stated he has an AD steroid, but he is a short range melee and in this game its hard to stick when you have no gap closer or huge burst. Let me explain it more simple to you, he has nothing that scales off AD so the extra AD the you pay for the hydra is better spent on pure defensive items that improve the scaling of his abilities.

Herr derr insert any champion that builds health and claim therefore titanic hydra is the bestestestestest item cause i do dmg! Let it go you built a titanic hydra, you got owned and your team flamed you for buying it, stop trying to locate that single human being who will agree it was hidden sleeper op.

Can you build it? sure but its simply not the most effective item, you can build one on nasus too if you want i mean his ult gives him extra hp!

Eedat1 votes

The whole point of his kit is to land cleavers to run someone down. It's very similar to Olaf. Land your Q, pop R, lane the next Q, etc, and run them down. And like Olaf, you can also use your Q to poke them down before doing so.

he has nothing that scales off AD

EXACTLY. The ENTIRE point of his E is for autos

How about you read? I wasn't even talking about Hydra I was dismissing the dogshit point that Mundo doesn't care about auto attacks.

BestPudgeNA10 votes

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Lol what? Do you even know what his kit does?

The only way i've ever played DrMundo is building full tank in aram then literally running around in circles with my R going while spaming emotes laugh and taunt. Is there another way to play this champ?

SpecterVonBaren4 votes

Yes but they're all less efficient.

YokoNomi5 votes

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Mundo's main damage source is his Q which is a short ranged skillshot that deals %based magic damage. Mundo doesn't really care all that much about autoing and he already has more than enough waveclear in his kit and from other items he builds. He much rather have more tankiness than some random damage item that doesn't really provide anything he wants nor needs

His E is all about autoing though, and is his strongest skill. Q may be his main tool for harass, but his E is where his damage actually lies. The damage from the Q only means so much after awhile.

NemeBro4 votes

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Mundo doesn't really care all that much about autoing

He has one of the largest AD steroids in the game, and a strong auto reset that does his health in damage on one ability. Mundo is throwing more autos in a fight if he's on someone than he is throwing cleavers, especially if he's a high IQ player who built PD.

Cynikul2 votes

Its good, but there are better options IN MY OPINION

Most the time, your full build should be looking like;

1.) Merc/Ninja 2.) Warmogs 3.) Spirit Visage 4.) Sunfire 5.) Gargoyle 6.) Flex

Now of course, there's not really a wrong way to build him unless you're building I.E. or some shit. Build him the way that seems fun to you. If he seems a bit more effective for your playstyle/enjoyment and you like titanic, sure build that shit. If rushing that 1 item is starting to cause some losses, OK, maybe time to look at it. Personally right now I love AP predator Nunu jungle. People will tell me its stupid AF. I tell them look at my match history, they usually shut up, and since its fun- its a win win. There (generally) is no wrong way to build.

redniwediS2 votes

It's the same reason as why so few people get a Ghostblade on Garen, even though it fits him oh so very well and has a great win rate on him.

There are other items that take less effort to use for a similar amount of reward.

Stuff like Titanic Hydra on Mundo isn't for the average player, it's for the player that wants to be a step above and put more effort than is required into their play.

Critmaster Garen1 votes

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It's the same reason as why so few people get a Ghostblade on Garen, even though it fits him oh so very well and has a great win rate on him.

There are other items that take less effort to use for a similar amount of reward.

Stuff like Titanic Hydra on Mundo isn't for the average player, it's for the player that wants to be a step above and put more effort than is required into their play.

man, have you seen ghostblade on garen during its glory days, when it built out of brutalizer and avarice blade and added 15% crit, and 6 seconds of 40% attack speed in addition to the movement speed on the active?

thats when i made this account. it was the perfect item for him. you just went in with q and spin and then popped ghostblade active to turn into a melee adc until the spin was off cooldown again.

you were actually able to deal sustained damage on garen instead of having giant windows of shit for damage.

redniwediS1 votes

Sadly I was pretty darn bad back then, and didn't make much use of it. I would play full resistance Garen, with almost a full focus on armor and MR and very little health. Worked well enough, but we also had less true damage and percent health damage at the time.

It's still a great item on him, and more than a few high elo Garen mains swear by it. That said it's popularity is pretty low, along with other items like Trinity Force that are also used by high elo Garen mains. Most people prefer the Black Cleaver into tank builds, which unfortunately work just fine.

It honestly frustrates me how well it works. It's such a safe build, and has very few downsides. The amount of effort it takes to effectively use riskier items (IE, Trinity, Ghostblade, and the like) is so disproportionate to the reward, it almost makes me think of trying to main a champion where that effort would actually pay off.

But I'm with Garen until the bitter end.

haaaaaaalp2 votes

Too much of titanic hydra's power budget is dedicated to waveclear which mundo does not need.

Hibeki1 votes

Mundo's waveclear comes from W and Sunfire and that does the job pretty well. 200 ad and grasp lets him win most fights top so why not just be even more durable?

flibitydoo1 votes

CDR+tankiness is better. More cleavers means better sticking power along with damage output. CDR also means more ults.

You already do enough damage to squishies. One auto (empowered by masochism) with zero damage items is like 30-50% of their max health. More damage against tanks? well, you do have a % damage health source but it's gated by CDR, not by base damage.

You already have waveclear in the form of burning agony and sunfire/cinderhulk.

Bârd1 votes

Mundo has enough damage.

All he really needs is durability.

I Main Swain1 votes

i like getting 1 offensive item on him a lot of times i play him, typically i go for item 3151 or item 3812 but sometimes ill get a item 3748

Nanuk Pihoqahiak1 votes

Pretty sure this strat is on the rise. He breaks squishes in half if he Q's > Auto > Titanic, especially if he's already low on health.

Dubshoka1 votes

I'm an ARAM pleb, so take this with a grain of salt, but i usually pick up an early tiamat for the auto reset and finish titanic like 4th item. IF you're mildly crafty you can get PD and tiamat and maul fools, but yeah.

DragonShea1 votes

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whats up with that? even his mains dont build the item.

one would think its an obvious choice. mundo scales with health. titanic scales with health, and provides 450 health itself.

mundos main damage source is his e. he likes to trade by walking up after hitting a q and using the auto reset and ad steroid of masochism for a shitload of burst. why wouldnt you want to add another 400 damage auto reset on top of it?

why dont people want 40 ad and 40 on hit damage and the waveclear with the 200 ad steroid of mundos e?

what am i missing here?

Mah monay is on people thinking that he is still a tank when he is in fact a juggernaut.

seem silly to think that he is a tank and play him like that when his only CC is his Q and that sucks.

ŚtrongMental1 votes

hell i've been picking up titanic on udyr (2-3 weeks ago) and it won me my games to gold :/ literally that item alone... was the deal breaker for me lol

Śhunpo1 votes

I always have been, it's amazing. You guys should do it.

princeblumpkin1 votes

You're not missing anything. It's one of the best possible items on Mundo and makes your damage fall off in the late game far less severe. PD is also a good choice on a cheaper overall item, although when you should build it can be tricky.

JPLangley1 votes

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Critmaster Garen1 votes

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Why the fuck are you posting on an alt instead of your main account? This post answers that question very, very clearly.

because this account exists since the old league of legends forums, where cross region posting wasnt possible yet. if you wanted to post on the NA boards, you needed an NA account.

plus, my main account doesnt have the summoner name. i like this one.

SociaI Justice1 votes

ITT: a bunch of gold players pretending they know how mundo plays when they have never seen him in a game not to mention playing him.

SilentBomber1 votes

The only reason there is for Mundo to build Titanic would be for faster wave clear.There is no other reason for me.

Critmaster Garen1 votes

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The only reason there is for Mundo to build Titanic would be for faster wave clear.There is no other reason for me.

and i mean, the health, 400 damage active auto attack reset with mundos own auto attack reset from masochism, and the ad/on hit damage dont do anything in your opinion?

Enascent1 votes

I was thinking the same thing. You hear about combos on different characters (Shaco is the one that comes to mind) with the AA + Tiamat reset dealing insane damage. My thought, which aligns with yours is "hey, you can probably do this on Mundo, and do it well.". With Masochism you can get a double hit the combo would be E + AA + Tiamat (+ Cleaver possibly?), and make them really hurt. However, as I have cycled thoughts with Mundo, my assumption is that it takes a second for Mundo to get to his target. He will most likely be kited by any range champ or caught by cc, which means we would have to completely rebuild him for more movement speed, so we can get the combo off.

Shaco can make this tiamat type combo work since he has that teleport escape/quick entrance. Mundo needs some way to get to the adc faster to make it work IMO, and his Ult falls just shy since it takes away damage from masochism (the catch 22). He relies more on his cleavers, survival, and AOE burn which adds up to ALOT of damage over time. Back in season 2 (i think it was season 2, maybe season 1), I used to get a phantom dancer, blood thurster, and IE and completely tear everyone apart with 2 hits with his masochism + Crit.

I think if we could find a way to make Mundo more mobile, I think this would be a great strategy. Otherwise slow burn is the way to go.

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