so, how many more health nerfs is warmogs going to get?

Critmaster Garen·Apr 23, 2016·3 votes·513 views

yes, the 10% cdr is really nice.

id just like to point out that in the last 6 years the item has gone from 1350 health at full stacks, to 800 flat.

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PDE5 InhibApr 23, 20161 votes

Given the nerf to Bork and last whisper, I'm not too upset with the Warmogs nerf.

Critmaster GarenApr 23, 20161 votes

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Given the nerf to Bork, I'm not too upset with the Warmogs nerf.

its not really a nerf, just a slight change in function. its getting cdr in place of those 50 health. its why in this case in particular it doesnt really bother me that much. the cdr is actually nice.

and bork really deserved the nerf. first of all, its supposed to be a nieche item but was bought on almost everyone disregarding the circumstances. it was a strong item even against champions who didnt actually stack health. second, its functionality was replaced by item 3034 and item 3033 .

the old bork combined with that would be retarded.

PDE5 InhibApr 23, 20162 votes

Meh, I don't think the old BoRK was bought that much unless the enemy team was beefy. But I also don't disagree with it and last whisper getting nerfed lol.

Critmaster GarenApr 23, 20161 votes

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Meh, I don't think the old BoRK was bought that much unless the enemy team was beefy. But I also don't disagree with it and last whisper getting nerfed lol.

it was bought by almost every carry, every game...

PDE5 InhibApr 23, 20161 votes

Well against someone playing as a critmaster garen, I would say rightfully so.

FACE THE WlNDApr 23, 20161 votes

It's a change really, not much of a nerf, it now appeals to a different crowd/fulfills a slightly different purpose. I was only here when it was 1000, started in early S3.

Critmaster GarenApr 23, 20161 votes

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It's a change really, not much of a nerf, it now appeals to a different crowd/fulfills a slightly different purpose. I was only here when it was 1000, started in early S3.

i understand that, and its not really bothering me that much this time, since its getting something good in return.

its just really weird, as the item has went from the "i just want a large amount of health" - item, to what it is today.

over the years the health on the item has been nerfed by more than 500, which is pretty crazy.

IonianApr 23, 20161 votes

Games tend to change a bit in a period of 6 years.

Critmaster GarenApr 23, 20161 votes

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Games tend to change a bit in a period of 6 years.

its starting to get really disconcerting though.

since the start of season 6 there have been numerous health reductions on items, and masteries with barely additions in other places.

100 health less on cleaver
100 to 120 health less on veteran scars
100 health less on steraks
100 health less on dead mans
50 health less on warmogs now (+10% cdr)

i could also add the 100 health nerf to banshees next patch to that list.

meanwhile

50 more health on randuins

riot recently goes into item changes with the attitude. "people who stack health wont notice 100 health less on one of their items".

but when they keep doing it and doing it on almost EVERY item, it becomes noticable.

Zero Skill TankApr 23, 20161 votes

The point is almost every champion makes almost equally good use of high end flat health item.I even remember marksman buying it as their def item in the times. So it's really hard to make it more than situational, end game item for certain tanks without making it must-buy in every game.

Irelia BotApr 23, 20161 votes

I remember season 2.

I remember atmogs.

Critmaster GarenApr 23, 20161 votes

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I remember season 2.

I remember atmogs.

well, atmas doesnt exist anymore. and im not asking to buff the item back to almost 1400 health. im just asking to stop taking health off items.

even the cost reduction of cleaver next patch is just a partial revert of its nerf in preseason. they reduce the ad by 5 again, and get the price back down to 3100. but theyre still not putting the 100 health back on that they removed in favor of more ad in preseason.

DoctorInjuApr 23, 20161 votes

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